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Isn't practically everything you see in a fish market flash frozen anyway?

Afaik there's very little fresh fish going around, period. It's all frozen on the boat.



A friend told me that he never, ever eats frozen fish, but he does enjoy all varieties of sushi and sashimi, and he explained to me that those are never frozen.

I tried to convince him otherwise, but never got anywhere.

https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-prepare-raw-fish-at-home-...


In some places it is illegal _not_ to freeze the fish for sushi, to avoid anisakis (I don't know how it is enforced, though).

source: https://elpais.com/sociedad/2006/12/20/actualidad/1166569202...


At least in the US, a significant amount of the fish you eat in high end restaurants, sushi restaurants and fish markets is never frozen.

It is packed in ice and kept very cold, but not frozen.

Supermarkets are more likely to stock frozen/previously frozen. Lots of commodity seafood is frozen when caught.

Source: Spent a season offshore fishing for swordfish/tuna. Worked in the warehouses that unloaded and shipped the same. Drove the truck that delivered the fish.


Ah, the more you know. Fish guy has spoken I guess.

At least for white fish.


We hope so! Flash freezing kills parasites

(Sure, it's not an issue if you cook it thoroughly before consumption, but still)


> We hope so! Flash freezing kills parasites

It depends where you are.

If you are in a Western country, then yes, "sashimi grade fish" equals "frozen".

If you are in Japan, then no.

Its all to do with the understanding of fish and its handling.

In the West its all commoditised, quantity over quality.

In Japan, they have a deeply rooted fish culture, a focus on quality and are obsessive over food hygiene.

So in Japan your sushi won't be pre-frozen, but it will have been meticulously inspected and prepared.

Fun fact, salmon sushi/sashimi is a Western thing. The Japanese don't eat it because the parasite risk in Salmon is so much higher than any other fish.

Personally, having visited Japan a number of times, I will not eat sushi or sashimi outside of Japan any more.


I live in Japan and some of this is a bit wrong.

1. All Tuna is frozen immediately after being caught on the boat - go to tsukiji (well now toyosu) at the tuna market. They are frozen and they taste better because of it.

2. There is no sushi / sashimi grade in Japan. High quality fish that you can eat safely is just the default

3. It's true that traditional sushi did not include salmon because of the parasites. If you go to a traditional sushi restaurant (3 star Michelin etc) you won't find salmon nigiri. Other than that salmon sushi is everywhere at sushi restaurants in Japan and tons of Japanese eat salmon nigiri and sushi.


1. Noted, although I would say I didn't say all fish was not frozen.

2. That was kind of the point I was making. ;-)

3. I guess we must frequent different places, because the only places I've seen Salmon is Narita airport and at combinis. I don't go to 3 star Michelin, but I do admit I go to more traditional sushi restaurants when I want sushi in Japan. That said, even when I have had sushi at isakaya and small local restaurants, sashimi omakase rarely contains Salmon.


There are many restaurants in Hokkaido that have the seafood version of oyakodon, Salmon and roe.

https://hokkaido-labo.com/en/otaru-seafood-donburi-14255


> 2. There is no sushi / sashimi grade in Japan. High quality fish that you can eat safely is just the default

Many fishes in supermarket are sold as "for heat cooking" except for sashimi. It's costly to make all salmon raw eatable.

Agree for others.


The hell? Have you been to Tsukiji Fish Market? Its immediately obvious that everything is flash frozen

This reads like some old school weeb shit


> Its immediately obvious that everything is flash frozen

"Everything" is a bit of an exaggeration.

I'm sure like at all fish markets, there is frozen fish available, either because it was imported or because that's the way it was pre-processed on the local boat.

But to say "everything is flash frozen". That's pushing it. You fall flat at shellfish at a start. ;-)


> Personally, having visited Japan a number of times, I will not eat sushi or sashimi outside of Japan any more.

Most of us cannot travel to Japan every time we want to eat sushi, so that's simply not practical.


> Most of us cannot travel to Japan every time we want to eat sushi, so that's simply not practical.

FFS !

Did I ever say I travelled, or that anyone should travel to Japan every time ?

No.

Incase you had not seen, Japanese cuisine goes beyond sushi and sashimi.

The quality of sushi and sahimi in the West is simply so poor compared to Japan I won't waste my money. That is what I am saying.

I simply said I do not eat sushi and sashimi. I can fill my Japanese desires with other culinary aspects and save myself for as and when I might visit Japan.


> Incase you had not seen, Japanese cuisine goes beyond sushi and sashimi.

Well, yes, some of us have visited Japan and tried their cuisine, both in their own country and in Japanese restaurants in other countries.

There are also authentic Japanese sushi bars outside Japan, run by Japanese chefs, and making superb sushi.

I really don't understand what you're trying to say here.


> Fun fact, salmon sushi/sashimi is a Western thing. The Japanese don't eat it because the parasite risk in Salmon is so much higher than any other fish.

All the conveyor belt sushi chains I’ve eaten at definitely had salmon nigiri on the menu. In fact, they had a wider variety of salmon than what is commonly found in the US. It is most definitely a thing Japanese people eat because otherwise there wouldn’t be five menu items dedicated to just salmon at every major conveyorbelt sushi chain.




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