Intentional deception. CIA meddling with another state's economics is completely separate from them stealing IP and you know it.
> contracts somehow leaking and trade secrets being stolen
You have provided precisely zero evidence for the claim that the US government is using their powers to steal IP from other countries' companies and giving it to US companies, and you've already intentionally tried to receive readers by bringing up something irrelevant, so it's highly likely that you are fabricating claims.
> Also how is it irrelevant to a discussion about China being unreliable because they practice corporate spying? It’s not whataboutism.
The discussion is whether other countries have to guard against China stealing their IP. Discussion of whether non-China counties engage in the same behavior is completely irrelevant, and bringing it up is literally textbook whataboutism, because when discussing this matter, you literally are saying "what about <other country>" when that country isn't the subject of discussion.
And to be absolutely clear: it should be obvious, but I am not stating that CIA intervening in other counties' economies isn't bad - just that it is objectively difficult than IP theft of the kind the PRC engages in.
You've still provided zero evidence for this claim.
>> The discussion is whether other countries have to guard against China stealing their IP.
> It’s not whataboutism to point that the US is charging China with something it has been doing itself for a long time.
That is literal textbook whataboutism - we are talking about China taking stuff from the US and you are saying "what about the US taking from other countries?"
You still haven't read the Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism) which says " Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about ...?") is a pejorative for the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation instead of a defense against the original accusation." and that's exactly what you're doing, responding to the claim ("accusation") that China steals IP from the US by counter-accusing the US of doing the same. It doesn't matter whether it's true - it's still whataboutism.
> It shows that the core discussion has actually nothing to do with IP. It’s all about the US feeling its allegedly hegemonic position being threatened.
This is attempted manipulation of the discourse. The comment you originally responded to (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42541481) was about the technical challenge of the US trying to prevent its IP from leaking to the PRC. Yes, that actually has "everything to do with IP".
You're trying to change the topic entirely to something irrelevant, which is claiming that the US's "allegedly hegemonic position being threatened".
I cited two well documented situations where the PRC paid Chinese expats to steal specific materials to help PLA owned firms develop specific products.
Show me something other than whataboutism and double talk.
Snowden's words are meaningless - he didn't even read the majority of the documents he himself leaked, he just grabbed everything that wasn't bolted down - and saying that the US monitors other countries' companies is also completely different from the IP theft being discussed. Monitoring other countries' companies happens routinely for intelligence purposes and does not connote IP theft.
So, once again, you have provided zero evidence for your claim.
> I’m always shocked by the average American level of ignorance about what the US does…
In addition to being condescending, breaking the HN guidelines, and engaging in emotional manipulation, you are also being highly ironic by displaying your own ignorance while sneering at others.
> So much for whataboutism.
I already explained to you how you're engaging in whataboutism:
> The discussion is whether other countries have to guard against China stealing their IP. Discussion of whether non-China counties engage in the same behavior is completely irrelevant, and bringing it up is literally textbook whataboutism, because when discussing this matter, you literally are saying "what about <other country>" when that country isn't the subject of discussion.
This applies regardless if the claim about what the US is doing is true, which in this case it isn't.
It’s clear at that point that you are just going to refuse any sources. I haven’t provided zero evidence you are discarding my evidence (which includes a report from the EU by the way).
If you fail to see how knowing if the US is engaging in IP theft is relevant to a discussion about US-lead effort to isolate China motivated by IP theft from them, I don’t think I can do anything for you. It is not whataboutism. It’s the heart of the issue.
The core issue is that the US is becoming protectionist to try to protect its threatened position and trying to drag other countries in its madness. IP theft is merely an excuse.
You broke the site guidelines so badly in this thread that I've banned the account. I don't want to ban you, but you've been crossing the line frequently and badly:
