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The speech CU engaged in implicates practical problems and therefore it's less deserving of protection?


No, the interest in remedying those problems overcomes the protection to which all speech is entitled. Why do you find this surprising? It's the same way any speech restriction is upheld.

(I'm very confused as to how you came to this conclusion, by the way, and would appreciate an explanation. That it's a matter of what "deserves" protection is exactly the idea the comment you replied to sought to dismiss, so somehow you've interpreted my statements exactly backwards.)


From what I understand, speech restrictions are upheld in very narrow ways:

- "time, place, and manner" restrictions such as not yelling at 4 AM in a residential area (these must withstand what's called "immediate scrutiny", which basically says that the restrictions must be content neutral, narrowly tailored to serve a specific government interest, and leave ample opportunity to share outside of the specific circumstances)

- "content" restrictions, such as restrictions on direct threats or child porn. These must pass strict scrutiny (narrowly tailored, serve a specific government interest, and be the least restrictive means to serve that interest.)

The government's interest has never been in "remedying" the problem of people speaking about politics, regardless of money (it does have an interest in stopping bribery, but that's a different issue.) Indeed, Kennedy's majority opinion in Citizens United is quite direct about wanting to allow more people to speak about politics -- specifically, allowing associations of people (ie, corporations, unions, etc.) the same ability to speak that single wealthy individuals have. The alternative to CU is frightening -- the only people whose political messages could be heard would be the few with the money to own media companies, or the few with the social networking apparatus to create faux-viral content.

This parallels older supreme court decisions such as:

Dartmouth College v. Woodward, 17 U.S. 518 (1819)

Providence Bank v. Billings, 29 U.S. 514 (1830)

Santa Clara County v Southern Pacific Railroad Company, 118 U.S. 394 (1886)

United States v. United Auto Workers, 352 U.S. 567 (1957)


> These must pass strict scrutiny

In my opinion, restrictions on electioneering spending do pass strict scrutiny.

> The government's interest has never been in "remedying" the problem of people speaking about politics, regardless of money

Money is all that is at issue here. Like many others, I categorically reject the notion that money is speech, and have done so for a very long time in the face of far more detailed and principled arguments to the contrary than have been presented in this thread.

> (it does have an interest in stopping bribery, but that's a different issue.)

Bribery is not a different issue -- campaign contributions, direct or not, are bribery.

> allowing associations of people

I will never consider "associations" that shield their members/owners from personal liability to be entitled to speak or do anything else without the permission of society.

The alternative to CU is not frightening. The alternative to CU is recognition of the obvious: Limited liability entities are not entitled to any rights, political campaigns should be publicly funded, and individual spending on electioneering should be strictly limited.

Notice I keep saying "electioneering", not "politics", because the conduct at issue is expenditure of money on electioneering, not speaking about or spending money on politics in general. This is just one example of the vast disconnect in evidence here.


If a single wealthy person is, non-anonmously, going to be allowed to electioneer, that's actually the price that should be paid for restrictions on associations.

People can judge the message by the speaker. When billionaiare Meg Whitman ran for office, her ads were on every single commercial break. She still lost. People saw through her.

When you have a multitude of associations, you can't tell who is saying what, and it creates confusion.




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