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That could be due to more robust private property protections, and the fact that China would have much more trouble confiscating property in US than cash in case of some dispute. That doesn't explain why anyone would want to bid up a specific city, though.


Apparently, the Chinese (from mainland) prefer San Francisco to other cities because SF already has a large and vibrant Chinese population, so it's easy to adjust to life here. It is also physically close to China.


The same goes for Vancouver, which the article briefly mentions.

A study in 2010 reported that of the 164 sales of $3M+ homes in Vancouver's West Side (richest area) and Richmond (largest chinese suburb of Vancouver), 74% went to buyers with Chinese last names. This number was 46% in 2008. Not the most scientific study for many reasons, including 2nd/3rd gen Chinese, but knowing Vancouver, that demographic doesn't intersect with the affluence much at all. This "study" wouldn't work as well in SF, but you get the point. There is a lot of yuan coming to the west coast.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/home-and-garden/real-est...


The Seattle area is definitely experiencing this as well.


Sydney, Melbourne, and Auckland have had their day.


Not in my experience with Melbourne.

Glen Waverley, Box Hill, Springvale and then the spillover. I can't get a look in. One house went for $200k over the asking price. Glen Waverley has supposedly ~25% Chinese but its a lot more in practice. There are also a lot of Indians looking in the surrounds. There aren't that many anglo people at the viewings at all.

I was talking to a mortgage broker and he said that in some cases the children were advance parties with parents money.

A lot of the estate agents are Chinese as they cater to the Chinese.


I work in Melbourne's Docklands area and the situation here is similar with many of the local RE offices obviously catering to the overseas Chinese market. From my office window I can see a nearby condo where 2 bedroom units sell for $550k+ but the ground floor commercial units are almost all vacant. And another building is going up next-door. In the other direction I can see a massive new tower going up next to the Crown casino in Southbank.

A month ago my neighbour sold her old 3 bedroom house for $650k whereas the same sized house I rent with a much nicer backyard costs me only $21k/year.

Australians are in for a shock when economic reality kicks in and the consequences of a speculative real estate bubble become apparent...


I'm fairly certain LA has a larger mainland Chinese base. Chinatown is almost exclusively Cantonese.


You may be right on both points, but the two are not necessarily related.

Wealthy Chinese people (who the article is about) generally do not live in Chinatown because Chinatown is a ghetto. The wealthy ones tend to live in the suburbs. The demographic of Chinatown just doesn't tell you very much about the demographic of Chinese people in the SF bay area as a whole.


Even my mainland Chinese friends state that observation. I can't say for the suburbs, but even the rest of SF is mostly Cantonese.


Albert Brooks' novel 2030 is set in LA after a major earthquake, where China offers to rebuild LA in exchange for a half-ownership stake, http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/books/albert-brookss-2030-...


Interesting, because there is a group that actually proposed actually doing a smaller scale version of this in Sydney.

http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/swap-you-chinese-skyscraper...


Brooks' (2011) book also predicted pervasive smartwatches. Not exactly great literature, but many predictions.


There are a lot of other Chinese neighborhoods in SF besides Chinatown, though. There are a great many Chinese people in the Richmond district and also in the Sunset, which even has a small Uighir community). Chinese people make up a much larger share of the population in SF than in LA, IMHO. And there's a lot of other Asian enclaves around the Bay Area. OTOH there are a lot more Korean people in LA than in the Bay.


I'm fairly certain the rest of SF is also mainly Cantonese, with the exception of some Mainland foreign students.


Most mainlanders don't speak Cantonese, however.

I remember back in the late 90s when Vancouver's Chinese community were mostly Cantonese speakers; that changed very quickly to mandarin after the HK handover.


Re-read the OP; that's exactly what he was saying.

A cantonese-speaking community outside of China generally means it traces its roots to pre-Communist takeover of the mainland, a time when most immigration came through the British controlled territories around Hong Kong.

The OP is claiming that SF's chinatown is more Cantonese than Los Angeles, the implication being that the more Mandarin speaking Los Angeles community has closer ties to modern mainland China.

Based on personal experience, I think that may have been true 20 years ago, but not so much today. At least outside of Chinatown proper, which I don't spend much time in.


He said Chinatown, not SF Chinatown, I assumed he was referring to LA's Chinatown, which definitely exists.

SF Chinatown is just a tourist trap these days. Many more Chinese live in the Richmond neighborhood and throughout the bay area. Also, many of the Cantonese speakers in the Bay Area (usually south bay) are actually from Vietnam (ethnic Chinese refuges who left during the Chinese/Vietnam war in the late 70s/early 80s). I assume that is quite similar to the situation in LA, but have no direct knowledge.

There is pre-existing immigration from british areas, but they have mostly diffused throughout the country and are probably on their 4th or 5th generations by now. If you meet someone in the states who speaks Cantonese, they are more likely to descend from Vietnam, or somewhere else in Southeast Asia, rather than Hong Kong. Though I once met a cantonese speaker who immigrated from...Belize.

But I guess you are right...over a few hundred years and many intermediate destinations they did eventually come from Guangzhou/Hong Kong :)




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