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The U.S. and Canada have very similar cultures, so comparisons here have some meaning. The U.S.'s per capita incarceration rate is 6.28 times Canada's [1] and the per capita number of police officers is 1.26 times higher in the U.S.[2]. However, the intentional homicide rate of the U.S. is 2.94 times that of Canada[3]. Certain types of offenses (e.g. drug offenses) are higher in Canada, but the violent crime rate is lower.

It's worth asking what is going on here. I'm no expert on law and punishment, but it seems like the U.S. is throwing more resources at the problem (perhaps prodded by for-profit prison lobbyists) and getting poorer results. The cultures are too similar to explain this away by saying Canadians are inherently less violent. As Canada considers harsher prison sentences and expanding prison capacity, it's imperative to understand if this will produce the intended results.

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcerat...

[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_...

[3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentiona...



Many people don't appreciate how much a solid social net does to reduce crime. Even the poorest Canadians have access to good health care and education.

In America, I have no doubt in my mind I'd steal to pay for an operation on my kids. Hell, I'd rob a bank at gunpoint if it came down to it.

In Canada, I just walk into a Hospital.


I don't think making such a public comment is a wise idea in a surveillance state. I also think stealing is wrong whatever is the reason[1].

[1] I don't have kids but got at some point seriously sick and broke.


If speaking my mind gets me thrown in prison, I'd rather stand by my beliefs and be proud of them then to lie and live a hollow life of subservience.


I was thinking the same thing.

I assume it's a crime to talk about hypothetically committing a crime?

I also don't live in a surveillance state right now.


I worked in the poorest postal code in Canada (http://goo.gl/maps/hzKct here's how bad it gets, this intersection is called Wastings and Pain by many), it's a walk in the park compared to the bad neighbourhoods of many US cities. I've never felt like I was in the 3rd world in Canada, there are parts of the US that make you wonder...

We generally take care of our people and don't use the prison system as part of the social safety net to the degree the US does. Ironically, in Montreal in the winter, you pretty much have to kill someone to get sent to jail if you're homeless.

Also, it's not so much Canada as Stephen Harper.


I'm afraid I have to call BS on the ol' "Blame Harper" schtick. The Conservatives, Liberals, and NDP all have exactly the same platforms and would likely be doing exactly the same thing if in power. Canada's political parties have stopped running on the merit of policy and are running purely on the basis of personality. It's really starting to annoy me.


Slightly off topic but I would like to recommend you to read Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman. In it, he posits that the advent of television is the primary driving force behind image-based politics. It's full of astute observations and generally relevant frameworks in which to discuss these types of effects in society. It was also written in 1985 but everything is even easier to observe now.

It's a good book, is what I'm saying.


The prison industry is what's wrong in the US. Most countries like to keep prisons empty, in the US some prisons like to keep all cells occupied.

Keeping prisons empty means that you educate prisoners about what they did wrong and how they can change there behavior.




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