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The line in the essay I liked best was:

> But there may be cases where a startup either wouldn't want to grow faster, or outside money wouldn't help them to, and if you're one of them, don't raise money.

Having the essay earlier would have saved me a lot of time and effort. For my startup, I tried for a long time to raise money, and as in the essay it was a huge distraction from the real work. Eventually, at absurdly high cost in time and effort, I concluded the more common half of what is in the essay.

Since I wanted to try hard to crack the nut of fund raising, I kept at the effort until I got some decent understanding.

Also I had to conclude that VCs and I do projects and project planning and evaluation in very different ways. Since it was quite a while ago that I was 20 years old, and I've done a lot of projects and seen a lot of business, I prefer my approaches to project planning and evaluation. Also, for my project, my technical background, in applied mathematics, is far above that of all but maybe 10 VCs in the country. There is likely not a single VC in the country who could understand the crucial core of my project, some original applied math I derived, and only a few VCs who could even direct a competent review of that crucial core. So, I just can't be impressed by what VCs think of the crucial core of my project. When I was fund raising, I wondered how the VCs would evaluate my work; the answer is, they wouldn't! So, they don't have a clue about what they are missing.

So, net, VCs will evaluate my project based on traction which should mean that, for me, a solo founder with meager burn rate, by the time a VC wants to write a check, as in the quote above from the essay, I will no longer be willing to accept one.

After the fund raising effort, I settled on the line in the essay I quoted above: For me, and as often in the essay, the VCs are just too much trouble to work with to be worthwhile. Yes, the VCs are trouble in fund raising, but also the VCs will bring Board overhead, more time/money with lawyers and accountants, and, then, in case of the success they want, an IPO with all the Wall Street and SEC nonsense. Handling all that would be a full time job for me, the CEO of my company; that's not the kind of work I want to do; and my hands would be taken from actually building and running my company.

I see another point: In the US, businesses are started and succeed coast to coast in big cities down to crossroads by solo founders by the millions each year. Such a business might be a pizza shop, auto repair shop, landscaping service, big truck/little truck business, etc.

My startup, with me as solo founder, is in information technology (IT) which should be a huge advantage: E.g., my first server farm will cost less than the truck and lawn mower of the guys who cut grass in my neighborhood, and the Internet connection I need will cost less than $100 a month. Moreover if I half fill the Internet connection, then from simple arithmetic my revenue and earnings in one year will be quite comparable with funds from a Series A.

So I just view my startup as a one person pizza shop but with some big advantages from IT; e.g., a pizza shop owner needs to be in the shop for each dollar made, and my server farm can be making money while I sleep.

For PG's definition of a startup in terms of very rapid growth, so rapid that VC funds become important, that's not important to me. I need a nice business; I don't have to shoot for another Google and wouldn't want to manage anything that big anyway.

A recent remark of Mark Andreessen is that there are only about 15 startups a year that deserve a Series A. So, the essay is talking about only about 15 startups a year and, thus, I am not disappointed the essay is not talking about my startup.

The VCs and I will have to disagree on how to plan, evaluate, start, and build a company. If I am successful, then likely that disagreement will have been a big part of my success.

The VCs remind me of the Mother Goose story The Little Red Hen when she could get help only when she had fragrant, hot loaves of bread coming out of the oven and customers lining up to buy and no longer needed any help.

For me, one really serious turnoff of VCs is that, since they have really no chance of understanding the crucial core of my business or how I do projects, no way would I want to report to a Board with VCs. Vinod Khosla has some recent remarks on how helpful Board VCs are!

Another big turnoff of VCs is that, as reported on Fred Wilson's blog, on average over the past 10 years, the VC ROI has been poor. Net, VCs do not have a lot of credibility in business.

Another big turnoff is that too many VCs were not STEM majors and have written little to no code.

Another big turnoff is that my startup, as is recommended for startups, is doing work that is new; well, there is some education for how to work effectively with things that are new, a Ph.D. degree; I have an appropriate one from a famous research university, and nearly no VCs do. I will have a tough time viewing a VC as a helpful colleague in the crucial core of my business.



I can relate to most of what you're describing but wanted to point out that your business (any business) is a lot more than "core" of your business. If you're content with the rate of growth, you are already profitable or don't need additional funding etc. than you may not need the VCs. PG's essay repeatedly states not to raise money. But if you do want to make strategic investments, accelerate growth, etc. you will need to do many things that are outside the "core" of your business. In that case you may try to find VCs that have experience doing that, or at least can open doors for you so that you can find the right people to help you get there, etc.


I don't think we have much disagreement. For your

> I can relate to most of what you're describing but wanted to point out that your business (any business) is a lot more than "core" of your business.

Yes, but I've been a B-school prof, and last month got a lesson in business: A house in my neighborhood in NY USA had the shrubbery too tall, and a crew was hired to come in with a chain saw and cut back the shrubbery. They had a nice new truck. My guess is that they were recently from Mexico and that the lead guy was there running all his business. And he was doing fine without an MBA or VC!

Basically, for millions of businesses in the US, the non-core functions get handled plenty well enough by just the founders without help from an MBA or VC. I did mention Khosla's recent remark on how much VCs help founders run their businesses.

Your point about "strategic investments" may be correct: Sure, a standard PE idea is a roll-up. However, I'm not sure that really VC capital is the best for such investments, but in some cases maybe it is.

For "growth", I don't see the crucial need for VC given that the VCs want to see a lot in traction, at Series A and certainly for a growth round after a Series A. It seems to me that a founder should just let the revenue from the assumed traction fund the growth. Lots of businesses, pizza shops to auto body shops, do, and an IT business should have an advantage.

Besides, some of PGs growth timing looks fishy to me, especially get a VC round, hire people, and show big results in 18 months. Maybe can do that work and get the additional revenue in the 18 months, but I'd have a tough time believing that could get a good team built -- advertize, interview, select, move, house bought, kids in school, spouse in a job, introduced in the office, familiar with the office procedures and tools, train, build team -- in 18 months. Seems to me that the growth bottleneck is team building, not funding.


Just to provide a counter example to balance your assessment of VCs: Our lead investor has a Ph.D. in EE from Stanford. Our secondary investor has an engineering degree from MIT and is a serial entrepreneur. They have been very helpful in terms of advice and support.


Apparently you don't have a counterexample:

I made two points, that likely the VCs could not evaluate my project and likely only a few VCs could direct an evaluation.

For the first of these two, a EE Ph.D. very likely would not understand the crucial, core applied math of my startup due to not taking the right prerequisite courses in graduate school. If they studied from Luenberger at Stanford, then maybe they would have some of the prerequisites!

For the second, directing a competent review of my work, a EE Ph.D. would likely be able to do that, especially once I gave them a list of reviewers, and I did indicate that a few VCs could so direct a review.

There is a huge problem with VC: Necessarily they are looking for exceptional cases. So, what the average deal looks like provides poor guidance on what a really desirable deal would look like. And since the VCs are also looking for things that are new, what the best deals of the past 10 years looked like also provides little guidance.

There are ways to know that something really is exceptional and powerful early on, and the US DoD has provided a long list of examples for the past 70 years or so. E.g., the first GPS was done by the US Navy for the SSBNs, and the crucial, core work started on the back of an envelop at the JHU/APL. The planning document was enough to remove risk, and the rest is history. Early in my career, I wrote software in the group that did the software for the continually updated orbit determination calculations for that Navy system and heard the stories about how the system was invented and pushed forward. It really is possible to evaluate projects on paper and confirm that they are powerful and exceptional; results on paper are how nearly all of research works, and the work really can be evaluated and seen to be powerful if it is; but nearly no VCs can evaluate projects on paper, and maybe their LPs wouldn't let them fund on that basis anyway.

So, the VCs are looking for exceptional projects, and there are ways to create, present, and evaluate such projects, but VCs don't do or pay attention to those things. This situation is so incredible that it took me a while to believe it. No wonder their ROI is low.




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