I didn't remember that case, very interesting. But yes, silently torpedoing a Russian ship transporting military technology to another hostile rogue state is exactly what NATO should be doing.

Did I miss NATO declaring war on Russia and N. Korea? Or are we OK with the Chinese silently torpedoing the next batch of military equipment to Taiwan (a rouge province under intl law)?

Your argument, taken to its limit, is might makes right. Which, fine; but we're just not that strong anymore. Certainly not the EUpeeans.

> Did I miss NATO declaring war on Russia and N. Korea?

Russia declares ware with the west every other Monday.

North Korea is at war with South Korea which is an allied country and partner.

> Or are we OK with the Chinese silently torpedoing the next batch of military equipment to Taiwan (a rouge province under intl law)?

You mean like they already destroy boats of nearby countries?

China doesn't respect International Law anyway and Taiwanese people have the right to choose their independence.

What's the point of declaring war in a war?

Russia invaded Ukraine just fine without ever declaring war.

Fair enough, you do you.

Meanwhile, we'll be protecting your loved ones.

Pray, from what?

And please don't flatter yourself. Europe couldn't field an army of a 100 000 riflemen if you put all of the EU countries together.

Honestly, neither can Russia, unless you count 100 000 random men + 90 000 rusty rifles as "riflemen".

Then y'all don't need us to come over.

Well you did when you requested help for Iraq and Afghanistan so ....

You appreciate the irony that the same folks who wanted the war in Iraq, the Dick Cheneys, the Nulans, the Eastern "new" Europeans are the ones clamoring for war against Russia?

I don't care what token force of soldiers Estonia or Poland sent to Afghanistan. Poke the bear and you're on your own.

So why did you poke the bear then, by handing out cookies during the Euromaidan and starting the US-Russia proxy war that is fought in Ukraine right now?

Btw, sorry we can't help you with your little Venezuela "war" right now, we're on winter vacation; your E-mail will not be forwarded.

Well you started another military operation this morning so this might not be argument you believe it is.

You mean the boat Russia itself torpedoed?

Like they blew up their own pipeline. Right.

Look, (all) governments play the lie and deceit game; but I dont have to go along it because of some misplaced sense jingo-patriotism.

Your sources are welcome because at the moment it's looking pretty thin.

It's pretty clear that Russia torpedoes their own boat to hide their transfer of nuclear to an embargoed country, North Korea.

The same North Korea that sent people to die for Russia in Ukraine.

A nice little quid-pro-quo relationship.

Link?

All I can see there before "Este contenido es exclusivo para suscriptores" is conjecture that (translating and emphasizing) "a torpedo may have pierced the hull of the vessel". Is there any evidence?

The hull is bent inward in a manner characteristic of a torpedo.

Or of hitting a rock. What's the seabed around the ship like?

A famous example which gave rise to similar hypotheses:

https://news.err.ee/1142424/foreign-ministry-adviser-ms-esto...