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>youre very close to freeing yourself but the speed has an iron grip on your thoughts , i wish you all the best and hope that things may settle down

Oh my. I was going to ask if you've drank a glass of methanol to argue that Adderall and speed the same thing, as I suggested... but judging my the content of your comments, you might have had more than one already.


we could choose to produce an environment that handles normal human behaviour , but instead we label normal human behaviour as dissonant , its an idea so simple yet one so violently opposed , such violence only spurs me on to champion the idea


You know, I'm with you on that one, actually.

ADHD behavior is normal human behavior, because we're all human.

And indeed, some quite reasonable accommodations and changes in the way the society functions and forms expectations of ourselves and others would go a long way towards making ADHD folks living fulfilling lives without pain.

All that said, executive dysfunction is still a thing, and ADHD folks routinely find themselves struggling with their own goals and lives, apart from the society and its expectations.

Technology can and does help a lot (electric kettles that turn themselves off, washer-dryer combo machines that don't require remembering to take clothes out, etc).

But then there are still things that I struggle with on my own, like wanting to send postcards to friends and taking literal years to get to it.

I really can't blame it on the society.

That's where the meds can make a big difference in one's life.

In some ways, ADHD is an advantage. We fare better than others in emergencies. Hyperfocus is an asset. Having a million hobbies is a plus.

But in other ways, it's something that makes us need support.

The meds are one of the ways the society accommodates us and gives us that support.


if you took an adhd cunt and threw him in the bush he would be fine ... but if you threw him into a cookie cutter hyper capitalist no-hope no-wife no-friends no-third-space doomscroll-to-death sealed box , that man wouldn't be fine! the man in question never changed , only his environment did. ergo , societal amphetamines are about as supportive as me handing you a set of crutches after i broke your legs. but trying to blame adhd on society is basically a copout as it reflects the way that society treats individuals ("here, take this speed and wreck your heart so that you fit better into the box we designed for you"). the only way forward is to through honest questioning as to why adhd diagnoses are thousands of times greater in the west, eg. maybe if we didn't get forced into a 9-5 schedule and instead had a bit more freedom , people would be more happy to devote energy to their work ...


I said settle down, ok?


i mean it was funny the first time but you have to put some extra sauce on the bait if you want more bites , to be clear i never told anyone to settle i said i hope things settle around them because i believe adhd behaviours can be produced by chaotic environments


Take a person, put them somewhere near equator in January, they're fine. Take them to Finland, they're freezing.

The only thing that changed is the environment. The person is fine.

So all this "winter clothing" scam exists only to enrich clothes makers.

The world simply should be warm everywhere, then none of that stuff would be necessary.

Winter clothes aren't a solution to feeling cold, because they don't address the root problem of Finland being on the map.

People simply shouldn't be subjected to such conditions.

...see how you sound like?

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>societal amphetamines are about as supportive as me handing you a set of crutches after i broke your legs

Well, the common ground here is that the crutches would indeed be helpful in this scenario.

>if you took an adhd cunt and threw him in the bush he would be fine

I get your point, but nobody would be fine like that. People are social animals.

Sure, the society sucks. But we literally can't live without it.

And while we're fixing it, well, we better have the meds.

> eg. maybe if we didn't get forced into a 9-5 schedule and instead had a bit more freedom , people would be more happy to devote energy to their work ...

100%.

> "here, take this speed and wreck your heart so that you fit better into the box we designed for you"

Counterpoint: stimulants are still useful and helpful even when you take the society away.

I can be living on my own and on my own terms, and still be upset that it took me literally 11 (eleven) years to mail a gift to a friend [1].

Sure, there could be ways mailing a package could be easier. But I really can't blame the 11 year delay on society trying to fit me in a box.

>the only way forward is to through honest questioning as to why adhd diagnoses are thousands of times greater in the west,

Citation needed. But availability and quality of mental healthcare is one big factor here in any cases.

Saying this as some born in the USSR.

My mother got an ADHD diagnosis in her 50s, long after moving to the US.

It's not like she didn't struggle with ADHD in the USSR, it just wasn't an option to get an ADHD diagnosis there.

[1] https://romankogan.net/adhd/#Eleven%20Years%20To%20Mail%20A%...


we aren't fixing anything , humanity is happy enough to rely on bandaid solutions until the wound festers out of control ... no society didnt force you not to send that message you did that yourself and blaming a condition is inherently giving up responsibility for your actions ... i dont have the energy to rebut attacks on my language techniques any more , goodbye sir


You settle down, ok?




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