Well, it’s an opportunity for the system to prove that it can prevent even a president with a large support base from making America fascist. I gather from your comment that you are pessimistic, but regardless of likelihoods, this is the kind of situation where checks and balances could prevent some very bad things from happening.

We shall see.

People are being disappeared, snatched up without being charged with a crime and being held in for profit prisons indefinitely. US citizens are being deported without even due process. Congress is feckless about it. The courts ask for the executive to please stop, but the executive branch is continuing to do the illegal things they've been told to stop doing.

Sure seems like these checks and balances are working out.

They are currently failing, yes. We can only hope that people look at the rest of the world and history, see how much worse it can get, and find their resolve.

I think the deadline for that self-reflection and resolve gathering was November 5th, 2024.

The time for checks and balances working to save us has passed. There are mask wearing black shirts disappearing American citizens. The courts have ruled that “no, this isn’t allowed” and these rulings are ignored. Congress is impotent, and has been for years. There are no more checks and balances to deploy that might help.

Because we've seen federal courts unafraid to repudiate unilateral executive force.

Why don't you think that, all things considered?

Hasn't Trump already ignored orders from the supreme court regarding Kilmar Abrego Garcia?

"Judge scorches Trump admin for stonewalling in Abrego Garcia deportation case" is just one recent headline.

From my outside perspective, your checks and balances do not appear to be working. If they do work, I can't help but wonder what is taking so long.

would you prefer what’s happening in brazil?

there are cases where the president has made the lives of individuals miserable in every presidency we’ve lived through. Stating that this is a terrible fact of life and doesn’t justify the harms.

what kind of powers do you envision the judiciary having to rectify these wrongs?

>would you prefer what’s happening in brazil?

I prefer not to do what aboutism.

>what kind of powers do you envision the judiciary having to rectify these wrongs?

Isn't that supposed to be figured out already? What is "checks and balances" if they can just be ignored? Impeachment for ignoring supreme court orders would be one example.

Obama dropped a bomb on a us citizen without giving him due process. How should this case be handled? Like i said, american presidents causing untold misery on some people is a tale as old as time. The point is to create a system that is, on balance, just.

>Obama dropped a bomb on a us citizen without giving him due process

>american presidents causing untold misery on some people is a tale as old as time

This is continued whataboutism, which I'm simply not interested in participating in a conversation with.

>The point is to create a system that is, on balance, just.

Sure! Why not start now. I'll be eagerly watching, and hoping, that you guys figure it out.

> This is continued whataboutism

i think i’ve written enough to show that’s that last thing im trying to do.

It's quite literally the only thing you've done in this particular thread?

>i think i’ve written enough to show that’s that last thing im trying to do.

I mean, that may be your intent, but so far you've brought up Brazil and Obama in a conversation about Trump ignoring the courts orders and said nothing about Trump ignoring the orders.

Every time the courts say Trump did something wrong, he seems to mostly ignore this and keep going, so how much does it really matter? Without strong enforcement of those checks they will stop being taken seriously.