With all due respect, Anduril already knows how the NixOS forum feels about them. The purpose of this listing is to insult and inflame the community. In politics we call this bear-baiting.
It is a different argument, but they do not contradict one another and they(edit) does single out Anduril in the original post:
> It has nothing to do with Anduril's business (which is a separate discussion) and everything to do with insulting a community they're dependent on.
so it seems like it was always somewhat specific to Anduril and the claimed behavior of Anduril. Though I do not know what the insult that Anduril committed against the community.
They don't contradict each other, and they don't have to. The generic "argument" is plainly wrong for the reason forrestthewoods pointed out: this is an official section of the forums dedicated to advertising by private companies. So why did they say that, instead of explaining what grave insult Anduril committed? I don't know, I guess they're having a strong emotional response to the situation.
> The generic "argument" is plainly wrong for the reason forrestthewoods pointed out: this is an official section of the forums dedicated to advertising by private companies.
I would not say their argument is wrong. My best read is that they were arguing against and completely open job forum for corporations in general and for some kind of gatekeeping.
It seemed an argument against current practices. I can not call that wrong, though I would want to see what they would want as an alternative.
An argument against the current practice where Anduril is banned? Come on. Your attempt to steelman them is admirable to an extent, but there's nothing there to save. They overreached and got called on it.
> An argument against the current practice where Anduril is banned?
An argument against Anduril being able to post in the first place before they were banned, or maybe all corporations. The current practice was to allow Anduril to post, when they made their post. The poster was celebrating the removal and the ban as a step in the right direction, but my impression is they would go farther.
They seemed to revel in Anduril's ban which seemed at least to be schadenfreude, and they did not back some of what they said while doing so, but I think that can be separated from the rest of their argument/desires.
You're saying they advocated a policy that pre-emptively and specifically banned Anduril from posting in the jobs section of their forum before they posted a single thing? There's no evidence that that's justified or that the top level poster believed that. And it still wouldn't change that their swipe at corporate advertising was nonsense.
Maybe they advocate for removing the job board entirely? They didn't say that though, even when forrestthewoods specifically mentioned it. Instead they moved the goal posts.
> You're saying they advocated a policy that pre-emptively and specifically banned Anduril from posting
At(edit) this point I can not double check the post to see if I was reading it right since it is currently hidden after being flagged. Most of the stuff I see flagged to removal on HN is more extreme than what was said by the OP here.
At least advocating for gatekeeping like I mentioned before. They did not get into specifics from what I remember.
> There's no evidence that that's justified
I think we are on the same page about them not posting evidence for justification around Anduril.
> And it still wouldn't change that their swipe at corporate advertising was nonsense.
There is a wide amount of opinion on what is justifiable corporate advertising. I do not remember any specific policy that they advocated for that came off as nonsense. I would say it did not sound like an opinion held by the majority of this forum or my everyday life in the USA.
> Maybe they advocate for removing the job board entirely?
If they came back and said 'yes that is what I want' I would not be surprised, but all we have to go off of is:
> Good, private corporations should not be allowed to leverage a public utility like this as their advertisement soapbox.
So maybe as long as the private corporations do not "leverage a public utility" as an "advertisement soapbox" they could post on the forum.
> Instead they moved the goal posts.
I do not see the goal posts moving, maybe they were, in the OP's head, but I can not extract that from the text. Moving the goal posts in my mind would be if the OP set some criteria, then someone pointing out Anduril met that criteria, then the OP changing the criteria so Anduril did not qualify anymore. The only criteria given though was:
> private corporations should not be allowed to leverage a public utility like this as their advertisement soapbox
And the thread did not dig down on that, no one said Anduril met the criteria, and the criteria was not changed. Would have been a more interesting conversation if the thread had dug down on: What did Anduril do? Why does it disqualify them? What is the OP's standard? Is it consistent?
I've had to dig internet archive to see original post [0], but I don't see anything particular inflammatory there? Pretty standard job description, and being in the "Jobs" section is right on-topic.
The only potentially objectable part is this one:
> Yes, Anduril is an American defense technology company. We build weapons systems for the United States and its allies.
but I feel it's a useful good warning, given that a lot of people don't want to work on weapons, and it does not go overboard by saying it's the best or anything like this.
Yeah, I wish other studios would do that did me instead of hiding "LLM" or "we 3" down in the middle. They should know the vibes by now, don't wastr a call if we aren't aligned on the core mission.
Still very confused though. Is there some history here everyone else knows but I don't?
> With all due respect, Anduril already knows how the NixOS forum feels about them. The purpose of this listing is to insult and inflame the community. In politics we call this bear-baiting.
Is there a history posted somewhere of Anduril's history with Nix? I feel like there is context I'm missing
Some people in the Nix community are opposed to Nix being used for weapons. Thus they're opposed to Anduril using Nix, sponsoring Nix conferences, or participating in the community in any way.
Alternatively, the purpose was probably just to find some good candidates? I mean the first few replies had several interested people before the mods shut it down.
No doubt certain vocal community members feel very strongly about Anduril. But I’m not sure it’s an actual majority.
This is an irrational conclusion to leap to, it only makes sense if you're a weird extremist.
the NixOS project did have purges and even ousted theirown founder though so i'm not surprised by this kind of comment appearing here assuming a corporation is aware of the insane nixOS drama train.
Yeah, corporations are great because we have little other choice. And, soon, we'll have no other choice! Because they're the only reason free software exists, according to my Excel spread.
I read it as, even if "corporate contributions power a huge chunk of the free software ecosystem" there is no obligation to compensate(~special treatment) them for this act.
