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[flagged] B-2 Spirit Stealth Bombers Begin Unannounced Deployment to Diego Garcia (theaviationist.com)
60 points by sorokod 8 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 87 comments



I'm only just learning about this outfit "Sentinel" and I'm not exactly sure how seriously to take them but this line is pretty funny

"On the other hand, we are also mindful of the low baserate for a US administration directly attacking Iran. We also considered modelling the administration as being dispositionally very over the top."


Scott Alexander of Astral Codex Ten rates them highly, so I subscribe.


"Briefly, the US has the capacity to decisively win on one or two fronts at a time, so its strategic logic leads it to want to wrap up conflicts in order: put an end to the Ukraine war, and address Iran next, to preserve its ability to respond to a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. The logic of its rivals is then the opposite: to tightly coordinate and threaten to expand conflicts on each front so that the US can’t effectively respond to any. This is a path to a world war."

So, if US hit Iran, we have to watch out for escalation from Russia and China.


They would just arm Iran and give her satellite intel to enable the Mullahs kills as many invading American troops as possible. That's not an escalation.


strawman argument


How? Your response feels like a low effort and not really anything more valuable than a strawman as well.

Russia does not want to get into a 1:1 shooting war with the US--especially now that it has a puppet in the WH. Russia has always done what was laid out in GP. It has previously been doing this in Iran, Syria, etc.


imo calling out a strawman argument is inherently more valuable than making a strawman argument.


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i don't see any war plans there just some flights schedule.

Reminds how in June 1941 Stalin had morning schedule for the June 22th of the German troops amassed near USSR border, yet he was saying it weren’t German war plans ...


stand back and stand by


> yet he was saying it weren’t German war plans ...

Whoopsie Daisy


Why would you deploy B-2s outside of the country? Does Diego Garcia even have the required climate controlled hangars to store the planes? Point of these planes was take them off from the US and have them return to the US.

If we're using them for Yemen, wouldn't the b-1b be better and cheaper. Much lower operating costs and almost double the payload?


Diego Garcia has four dedicated climate controlled hangars for the B-2 Spirit. Each one can house a single aircraft.

More than 4 and they are only visiting.


There's a photo of a Spirit in a hanger at Diego in TFA.


>>Does Diego Garcia even have the required climate controlled hangars to store the planes?

This is plainly stated in the opening of the article:

>Diego Garcia is now the only known location to use the distinctive B2SS or B-2 Shelter System clamshell-style hangars. These hangars are air transportable and can be constructed in around 70 days. RAF Fairford previously had one B2SS hangar, but it was removed after being damaged in high winds (the base still retains two permanent B-2 hangars, similar to those at Whiteman AFB).


It's a big stick to point toward Iran.

Flying from Diego Garcia means they can takeoff without anyone reporting them inbound.


They better not.

The biggest they have is the GBU-57A/B [1] and that will work until 60 meters reinforced concrete. Iran has the facilities under more than 80 to 100 meters and its granite.

Even an upgraded GBU-57A/B that it seems exist, wont be good enough.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-57A/B_MOP

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordow_Fuel_Enrichment_Plant


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Two of them, behind each other, are Jack Hammers mother.

Take four, and what's left is flour.

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It wont work. I thought about that option.. I hope they suspend the operation, if that is what they are thinking about....


I mean hey, while we're violating international norms...

> The biggest conventional munition they have


B-2 can carry certain ordinance that B-1B can't (due to length of the bomb bay).

Forward deployment is to allow transit and arrival entirely over-water.


Interesting I guess the stealth would be top and bottom right if they have that beyond the horizon radar that bounces off the ionosophere/ground

edit: wonder if there is a phased laser "radar" where it spams a bunch of uniform dots and if some of them don't come back then there's something there

probably wouldn't work, scattering

the other one would be LEO cameras that are scanning the ground for a black dorito

maybe captures aerial disturbance/lines in the sky density change


I think it's not about the properties of land and water per se, so much as avoiding flying over populated areas where it can be observed directly.


What you're describing is called LIDAR.


Yeah I know they can map cities, was thinking about scanning the sky, probably dumb/doesn't make sense but yeah


Not a dumb question at all, it can work from space! I think getting enough return signal and contrast will be the main issues. Both can be solved with a big enough lens, but then cost and maintenance will become an issue. If the system can be optimized beyond needing a single lens per beam than it might be feasible!


Fortuitous timing on your b-1 reference. There was at least one lancer airborne this morning EST time headed North out of Texas. Data did not reflect a refuel supply nearby yet the lancer was broadcasting its location.


I would assume Diego Garcia does have the facilities for B-2s. The B-2 has been based there fairly frequently in the past, I believe.


I would s/based/staged.


Tangent: is the stealth tanker real or still conceptual

Not the small one, this thing is massive can fuel two F35s at the same time


Ward Carroll just covered an update on it in this video https://youtu.be/9e_EXmVUJCM?si=VI5rZnYHBey7tTae


Funny too about the new NGAD it's joining the canard gang maybe


Why are we bombing innocent civilian apartments?

And how are we bombing at all without Congress declaring war?

And why are we attacking people that are specifically threats to the Saudis and not USA?


Because we can! :punch: :us: :fire:


Is it common to keep rockets and terrorist commanders in civilian appartments in your country?


Congress probably allowed the bombings in some overly large bill that gave expansive power to the administration to interpret threats to the US as it sees fit. The war equivalent of the Chevron ruling.


Presidents still have insanely-extensive authority granted by the AUMF from the original batch of "Global War on Terror" (barf) bills.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Milit...

Remember when a bunch of people were complaining that tons of that legislation was dangerous crap that handed way too much power to the executive? Yeah, they were 100% right.


POTUS is the Commander in Chief and has discretionary authority to authorize missions like this. Congressional approval is only necessary to finance or not situations POTUS decides to get into. Congress obviously is the only way to formally declare war. These are low grade skirmishes or special operations or any other term to allow not needing congressional approval


Have you just been blissfully unaware of American foreign policy since...

(checks notes)

... the end of World War 2?


The most announced unannouncement ever.


Destination Yemen I suppose.


The article discusses that B-2s would be overkill, since the Houthis have no relevant air-defense. It speculates about Iran instead.


Likely for Iran, they're overkill for Yemen. Hopefully it's just to put pressure on them for the negotiations. But I expect it's also to be ready if diplomacy fails.


Has been done before "B-2 Bombers Strike Houthi Targets in Yemen"[1] - October 2024

[1]https://www.airandspaceforces.com/b-2-stealth-bombers-strike...


Iran has been investing in low-frequency radars that are better at detecting stealth aircraft. Aldo the areas around Tehran and key nuclear facilities (like Fordow or Natanz) have particularly dense air defense coverage. Iran also has a good number of S-300/Bavar launchers which can saturate the air space when radar is ineffective. Not to mention that they have an untouched air force (though they are probably not in the best shape).


Iran has recently seen Israel dominating them completely - in the skies far into Israel.

As far as I understand, in addition to the main targets, Israel also knocked out a good number of the air defense systems Iran had at the time.

Given russia can't even replace their own losses of sam systems I personally doubt that they are sending much to Iran.


Defending against missiles is much harder than defending against planes (be it normal ones or stealth ones). But you're not wrong, as they were supposed to be good at both, and they failed miserably against missiles.


Low frequency radar cannot be used to target the B2. The famous incident in Serbia is because the payload bay was open and that's what the missile was locked on to. Moments before, when the payload bay was closed, the Serbian radar saw nothing, despite being pointed directly at the F-117.

It is an inherent property of low frequency radar that it is not precise enough for weapons targeting. You can't engineer that away.

That being said, these aircraft aren't invincible. If you could visually see the B2, you might be able to essentially hip-fire a SAM at it and hope it eventually picks up some signal as it gets close, but that would be pretty unlikely to work and some missiles might not be capable of doing that at all. There are some soviet systems that are optically guided, and those would probably work fine. In the day at least. Heat seeking A2A missiles would probably also work, though the B2 has some mitigations there. All these options are a significantly limited engagement range though, and I would hope B2s aren't sent alone. A few F35s with the strike would fix all problems. SEAD is way easier when the enemy's radars can barely detect you at 60km. US anti-radiation weapons can reach out to over 100km easily, though even basic SAM doctrine can limit their "Reach out and ruin someone's day" ability.

Meanwhile this entire situation is pathetic. The signal leak demonstrates that even Trump's admin knows that Europe and Israel can handle this themselves, which they insist we shouldn't pay for, and then burn money doing. We couldn't afford $100 billion a year in old, explicitly deprecated systems like Gulf War era Bradleys and weapon systems we stopped using because they aren't that great but are definitely better than nothing and CERTAINLY better than the trucks and golf carts Russia is using, but we can afford $150k per B2 flight hour to turn yet more of the desert into craters.


Great. Let's end the war in Ukraine and start WW3 with Iran.


[threat of] Hitting on Iran may stop the flow of drones and ballistic missiles to Russia and to the Houthis which would be helpful to the ending both wars.

Edit: for the people, like the commenter below, who happens to be unaware about that major piece of the war (in particular these drones have been the main tool devastating Ukrainian infrastructure)

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russia-lau...


Learning on HN that Russian war effort is dependent on Iranian missiles and drones .


… and North Korean artillery shells.


s/artillery shells/canon fodder/


What do you think is the most likely course of escalation leading to WW3?

I'm not asking for much here, I just want any potential path of escalation, and everyone can judge for themselves how likely it is. If the US performs airstrikes against Iran, what can Iran do that would make WW3 more likely?


Sure, here's one. Iran hits US military bases in UAE and Bahrain. Houthi rebels launch long-range missile attacks at Saudi Arabia's and UAE's oil installations. Hezbollah attacks Israel. At the strait of Hormuz Iran directly targets US and European oil tankers. US is left with no other choice than a large scale military mobilization in the area. You can take it from there.


Are you saying the US would respond to all that with a ground invasion in Iran?

A ground invasion of Iran seems extremely difficult, and would be very unpopular, and it's still unclear how that would lead to a wider world conflict.


A ground invasion is an inevitability if you start bombing strategic installations.


Why? The US can just air strike anything forever without ever doing a ground invasion. What objective would the US be seeking that could only be achieved by a ground invasion?


If you don't get boots on the ground you can't change the regime. Bombings alone would only weaken the infrastructure and probably lead local people to hate you even more. Plus in a conflict the opposite side retaliates. Once body bags start pilling back home the general public will demand an invasion.


I'm sure a precision strike at this facility https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Consultative_Assembly would change the regime somewhat, and make many people currently suffering from them rather happy. Could probably be sold as womans liberation.


And how would you safeguard the next regime? With F35s and bombers?


Hrm. Dunno exactly. Probably give them the option to join the Kurdish Republic of Free Rojava, minus the Barsani-Clan. Otherwise give them the nukes they always wanted. Shining (b)right over their heads. Like the cleanest zoroastrian purification possible.


So eventually you'll nuke them. But you don't think that will start WW3. Okey dokey.


I think the dangers of nuclear war are overblown in public perception.

Regarding räydiäyshun alone, there have been 512 atmospheric nuclear weapons tests since 1945, and were still here. Maybe with a little bit higher cancer rate, but that could have been caused by many other things, by unwise introduction of byproducts of industrialisation. Hrmm. Lemme ssink...industry...oh yeah, coal power! Even moar räydiäshun!1!! Whee!

Then there is the theory of Hormesis. Which could be applied to at least some forms of weak radiation, in spite of only a few very vocal, nay-saying kooks. See many places around the world, were people are bathing and breathing in radone-rich caves and waters, or beaches in Brazil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Gastein

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsqaltubo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsar,_Iran

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarapari

and many more, just without entry in the global cybernetic landfill.

So, away with the 'glo-in-ze-dark' stuff, except for one last thing:

Spontane Verdampfung führt zur Entkrampfung! (Spontaneous evaporation leads to relaxation)

Hrmyah, whaddäbbout WW3? Depending on where you are, that already happened, when seen as total devastation of ones environment. Does it matter when it glows in the dark by itself? Does it have to, to make ones situation even more miserable? Do I care?

No. I prefer a rather cold, zoomed out view, as envisioned in the commandments of the Georgia Guidestones, proudly riding my trusty Blucifer.

Ze Ztarz! My Destination! (One way or another, I don't bother)

Now please excuse me, I need to have the snake tatto reapplied to my dick, otherwise Jizzbella disapproves...…


Was Desert Storm/Shield WWIII? Was whatever the other Bush's desert excursions WWIII? Why would anything like what you described become WWIII?


Because Syria is fragile, and so is Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen. Those are all countries where Iran has very strong influence. The world isn't the same as it was 20 years ago, and Iran is way more powerful than what Iraq was back then.


...without actually ending the war in Ukraine.


There's a huge middle ground between WW3 and allowing Iran to fund and coordinate terrorism.

A strike on them to correct their malicious behavior is far away from a global war.

I didn't see much concern about Ukraine leading to WW3 until Trump allowed peace talks to start.

During the Biden administration peace was not discussed and not even considered an option by many.


>I didn't see much concern about Ukraine leading to WW3 until Trump allowed peace talks to start.

Trump has regularly used WW3 rhetoric about Ukraine:

2022: https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-warns-world-war-3-accide...

2023: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-world-war-iowa-waterlo...

2024: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...


Obviously the person who started the peace talks was talking about Ukraine leading to WW3.

I was talking about everyone that said the gist of "if we allow peace talks, Russia wins", mainly here.

It's the sentiment that led to the war persisting for these last few years.

No talks from the Biden admin, no public outrage, just support. And constant funding to continue it.


> I was talking about everyone that said the gist of "if we allow peace talks, Russia wins", mainly here.

I have never seen this... anywhere.


Any type of action has a reaction. Iran can target US military bases all around Middle East. They can damage tankers passing the Persian Gulf causing havoc to worldwide markets.


They already are damaging ships via proxy support of Houthis.

Deterrence sometimes means applying force.

Iran won't be able to do anything if the US actually applies force to them.

And I highly doubt anyone will actually come to their defense, which is an ingredient for WW3.


Houthis had stopped their attacks on ships during the ceasefire.

I think forcing Israel to maintaining their ceasefire is a significantly easier way of unblocking the water passageways.

You know, with a bonus of preventing hundreds of people being killed everyday in Gaza too.


Iran has to be worried about being carpet bombed into nothingness though, so theres only so much they can escalate


On the other hand, hardware wants to be used.

Also, an attack in Yemen is a message to Iran.

Also #2, "Trump sends second aircraft carrier to Middle East in ramp up against Houthis"

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/21/trump-air-craft-car...


There's a fabulous article[0] by William Langewiesche in "The Atlantic" that I read years ago to that effect; it's "An Extraordinarily Expensive Way to Fight ISIS" that follows a B-2 mission against a group of ISIS militants in the desert that shows how ridiculous they are against such an enemy. But yes, essentially they are enormous military-industrial capital investments, and it seems they just want to get used now and again.

[0]https://archive.is/P8oUN


This puts a pretty strong asterisk on other comments speculating that these probably aren't for Yemen, since they'd be overkill. They are overkill, but also we've used them in cases where better-scoped and cheaper solutions would have done the job, before.

As for comments like "why move them there, they're built for attacking from the US?": sustained strikes. The mission in the linked article had the crews awake 33 hours and put tons of strain on their aircraft, all of which would lengthen the time to a follow-up flight to, I'd guess, several days at least. You do this if you are planning to (or want it to look like you're planning to) use the aircraft several times in within a single week.


B-2s come in after threatening air defense is destroyed.

In this case, they can just roll right in.

Whether they are stealth or not, they are B-2 bombers, their purpose is to bomb.

Whatever can drop the payload. The more the merrier.

All that and the fact that we know that B2 stealth bombers have already been used against Yemen, even during the Biden admin.

Article author doesn't seem to be well-informed of this making that statement.

When it comes to striking fear in the enemy, overkill is practical.


[flagged]


Err—"hopefully"?


Yes.


Gross


This isn't tech news lol. How does Dang believe topics like this can be discussed without a flame war.


Flag it if it's off-topic. dang doesn't personally review every submission, this site is mostly self-moderated.

That said, it was interesting to see how they determined that the movement occurred.


> dang doesn't personally review every submission

Every submission and every comment. He does....


> without a flame war.

I see what you did there...




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