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I use phind and find the new features to be overly verbose.

The flow chart diagrams rarely give me any insight and often only confuse the point, or just clutter the answer, drowning out the pertinent details.

The code editor actually makes it so you are unable to even see or copy the code. I assume this is intentional kneecapping to encourage paying for your monthly service?

Instead, I now just have to prepend to every question I ask:

“Only answer using plaintext, avoid using your code editor and diagram features:”.

(Hilariously this prepend prompt method was suggested by phind itself when I angrily asked “how do I shut off all of these new features?!”)

Which is an additional hassle for me, but so be it.

When I ask it to write me a SELECT statement it upsets me that it is burning unnecessary fossil fuels to give me a flow chart of reasoning through SQL querying pipelines.

Perhaps the feature is meant for people who are unsure what they want, but for me, I just want the answer with links to sources in the least verbose way possible.

I’d appreciate a checkbox that I could click to just get a straightforward answer.

(Also, side note, I only use the free tier and there is a limited number of free uses for some larger models, and when you use those freebies it gives a countdown for “until uses refresh” and when that countdown finishes the uses fail to reset, only the countdown itself resets. Which is fine, I accept that I only use the freely offered model, previously “instant” currently “70B”, with its clear flaws, but it’s just another frustrating UI feature that seems to fail to live up to its promises so I am, again, just confused why it’s there?)



Thanks for the feedback. Have you tried setting your answer profile in https://www.phind.com/settings/profile?

You can tell it to "only answer using plaintext" there and it will be automatically applied across your searches.


That would require me to make an account, which requires providing you my email, and I am uninterested in doing either of those things.


So the product has a builtin feature where you can tell it what you want, but instead of using that feature you want it to read your mind?


Hey, I am free of any delusions in regards how I interact with the tool in question, and any expectations on returns therein.

The ceo asked for feedback and I provided it.

They can ignore me, I’m fine with that.

The reality of the situation is that they allow you to use the service without an account, and it is the only way I will ever use any of these llm services.

If they want to clarify that they only want feedback from paid or signed up users then I would gladly withhold my feedback.

As for the feature in question, I suggested a check box, so I’m unsure where you are getting mind reading. There are a number of other such checkboxes when prompting.

As for the feature itself, it would seem to save them server costs to implement it, and just in general, I think it’s bad form to hide QOL features to encourage sign up, but that is their choice as the service provider.

(A similar annoying QOL feature ransom is YouTube refusing to do PiP unless you’re logged in. Twitch on the other hand allows PiP without a login.)


I haven't paid for anything but I wonder. What should the offer be that makes one consider it?


I think their “here’s our worse model for free, pay for better ones” is a fine monetization strategy, and is a fine compromise for getting people like me to use the service at all. I mean they are still clearly collecting and using my queries for training and feature expansion.

(Even better is their idea to allow a few uses for a better model for free that resets in some time frame to let me see what I’m missing without using those better models, unfortunately, as I mentioned earlier, that is buggy)

Hiding QOL features seems like a foot gun.

They hardly tilt the scales on cost, like a better model would, and make people who you have yet to convince to pay think even your paid service is worse than it actually is, making them less likely to want to pay in.

For instance, apparently the feature I requested is already implemented, and as an accountless user I was unaware that it was even an option had I paid or signed up.

Does YouTube consider PiP an account generating feature? For me, it pushed me away from their service.

The only reason I used invidious was so I could listen to YouTube audio with my phone screen off while I went for a run.

Provide for free the features that would make people want to use your thing, and charge them for the features that cost more to serve.


Why bring up the email if you are not making an account?

I gave up on account creation for some projects and store the user preferences in local storage. It is an amazingly annoying feature in that it is very hard for the user to erase the data but you can't smoke your cigar and have it too.


Sorry, but I’m struggling to parse your reply.

I am uninterested in creating an account to use an llm service, and doubly uninterested in giving one my email address.

These are separate concerns.

For instance, HN allows account creation without providing an email.


I was wondering what other services could be glued onto the deal.

Wondering about this I had several horrifying thoughts. Somewhat palletable seems to add a hosting account with a subdomain so that one can share conversations and other ai creations, upload other things and use them for future reference. That way visitors can adjust to the content being machine generated.


You can create an address bar search entry for your browser, like this:

  "https://www.phind.com/search/?q=%s Only answer using plaintext."
https://github.com/evilpie/add-custom-search-engine works nicely for Firefox.


You don't have to go through the trouble of setting up a custom search engine for that, you can just use keyword bookmarks

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/bookmarks-firefox#w_how... https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/o3yfeo/just_discov...


>Perhaps the feature is meant for people who are unsure what they want, but for me, I just want the answer with links to sources in the least verbose way possible.

Did you try including that in your prompt?


I mentioned that I do exactly that in the comment you are replying to.

Is it a sad state for any tool when one has to specify only wanting the thing they asked for with less verbosity?

Especially when said tool is costly to run, both financially for the service provider and environmentally.

To me, it is, but hey, opinions, ya know?


If it's costly to run, maybe it's reasonable to expect that persisting settings, which is also costly, has some level of gatekeeping? I'm as ambivalent about LLMs as the next guy, but these are frankly nonsense concerns.


Either you are confused or maybe I am?

The ‘costly’ bit is referring to when asking for a SELECT statement instead of just receiving the SELECT statement I am given pages of overly verbose flowery text, reminders, and custom generated flow chart diagrams.

My understanding is most of these things charge per token so I am assuming generating more tokens incurs more costs, and I’m saying it’s generating needless tokens that frustrate me, so cui bono these additional costs?

Also more token generation means more energy resources consumed, so it’s burning the planet to frustrate someone it is trying to convince to become a paying customer.

How are these nonsense concerns?

It is unnecessary to persist any settings if I can just click a “just answer the question” checkbox before clicking send on the prompt.




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