Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

This always ends up being a sore subject.

I don't want to tell anyone what to do.

The early fears of mission creep seem well founded to me. Among whatever wonders achieved by systemd, I'm personally disturbed by its increasing ubiquity. I was always extremely grateful for Linux and the many applications available. I also value consistency. I can't immediately name all the things that have changed, some better and some for worse, but Cron comes to mind, which I typically can't use on a systemd distro. Often, when looking up a forgotten command, it's now systemd or its cli interface systemctl that has replaced it. And I dread a situation where systemd and network-manger are my only options for wifi, which has been the case for me in opensuse, where connman, wpa-supplicant, iwd don't work and the good old days of making/etc/resolved immutable fail to preserve my DNS configuration. I know there are ways around this, but nothing easy so far for me.

Perhaps in the end it will all prove for the best. For now it seems systemd is eating Linux and without facetiousness, such distros could reasonably be renamed systemd-untu/ian/arch/etc.

I think the best course is to beat it back to where it was supposed to stay and restrain it there. Because I cannot predict the future and don't really know how all will unfold, I maintain two distros, one systemd and one openrc. This helps flatten the learning curve in the event systemd does eventually devour Linux, while allowing me to hold onto to something that is what seems, ie Linux - the creation that has been my stalwart companion for almost 20 years.

There is much I could say critical of systemd, but not with sufficient authority that it would be well received by either 'side'. I've read that, eg Debian, has made the endeavors if Devuan more onerous than would be expected by their original statements on the optionality of systemd. I've read a lot more, much that I don't fully understand and some that appears to make sense.

Foremost, it is the increasing pervasiveness of the beast that alarms me. It really is growing, and intended or not, dependencies are forming - and that's scheduled to be a problem.

Personally, I hope that others will hold out and support alternative distros, such as Alpine, Void, PCLinux, Gentoo, (Chimera?) and others, especially the standalone ones. Maybe systemd will consumate into something great, though I cannot presently foresee it.



Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: