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A member of the far right No Lives Matter organization. First time I’ve heard of the group.


It's loosely affiliated (or was anyway) with the 764/com groups that were in the news a little while back, and linked to MKY, a Russian terror group.

M. A. Argentino has good articles about this set:

https://www.maargentino.com/nihilism-and-misanthropy-unleash...

764 members have been getting arrested periodically. One was arrested earlier in December:

https://cyberscoop.com/baron-martin-arrested-for-child-abuse...


It isn't a group, that's why.


On what basis are you making that claim? Multiple sources link No Lives Matter back to an intentionally formed subgroup of 764, started by a specific Swedish 14-year-old.

https://nordictimes.com/the-nordics/sweden/stockholm-attacks...


Where do you read there there is an organization called that? The articles states 'The filing also references Spafford’s belief in “no lives matter,”'.


To finish the sentence you were quoting: '“no lives matter,” an apparent nod to a far-right ideology that primarily coordinates through encrypted apps.' First page of Google gives this: https://www.njohsp.gov/Home/Components/News/News/1430/2


> NLM states that “societal standards should not exist. They are to be crushed by any means possible. If they comply to the societal standards[,] they are mundane,” and encourages the “spread of terror to all who are mundane.” In April 2024, NLM publicly rejected further association with the online violent torture and sextortion network, 764. NLM stated that it “was originally formed as an ideology…for 764 to follow,” but the “alliance” with 764 was discontinued due to the network’s ties to Satanism and pedophilia.

Well apparently some societal standards should exist.


"We are not the same. I'm an American, you're a sick asshole." ~ William 'D-Fens' Foster


Yeah I obviously read that. Ideology != organization. I'm well aware of the slogan, its been popular in right wing circles for as long as black lives matters has been around. Thank you for the link. Which is still not about an organization but about a telegram group. Just wanted to know were GP got the organization bit from the shared link.


From the link you read, they have a notion of membership with admission criteria and announced partnerships with European and Russian groups. They seem to at least consider themselves as a kind of organization.


I replied with quotes from the nytimes article.


I read another article, in this case one in the New York Times that said:

They found more pipe bombs in a bedroom inside Mr. Spafford’s house, loosely stuffed in a backpack that bore a patch shaped like a hand grenade and a logo reading “#NoLivesMatter,” prosecutors said.

No Lives Matter is a nihilistic, far-right ideology that largely exists on encrypted online messaging apps like Telegram. The movement’s adherents promote “targeted attacks, mass killings and criminal activity” and have “historically encouraged members to engage in self-harm and animal abuse,” according to a threat assessment released in August by the New Jersey Office of Homeland Security and Preparedness.


The patch shown in the indictment is literally a meme patch you can buy from a bunch of edgy shops that sell patches for like ten dollars.

It’s not like a membership badge or anything.


You know how many arguments are had about language and whether it's prescriptive or descriptive?

Same shit applies to symbols.

People self select and will display symbols to align with the groups they agree with.


Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes?

What about vegans?

No one is mistaking this for a “membership badge.” They’re taking it as a signal for what a person believes, and acknowledging that extreme belief formation (even if cynical and “just a joke bro lmao”) is very often part and parcel with group identity.


> Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes?

Yes, Al Qaeda is obviously a real group with actual members, rather than a random meme. Was that a serious question?


Not really. Since 9/11 there is a very small core formal group, but no, the thing people refer to as “al Qaeda” is mostly people buying into the same set of memes. Decentralized network of networks of ideological affiliations.

They’re not “random” memes, obviously, but I understand you’re trying to spin with rhetoric a bit here :)

https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/SR236Venhaus.pdf


A great read, thanks for sharing. Many interesting thoughts about the movement joiners and also on the writer point of view on the situations

> Middle Eastern Muslim culture expert Marvin Zonis notes that Arab societies value the honor and dignity of the individual more than personal liberty. When the principles of honor and dignity confront the devastating failures of many Middle Eastern states to achieve prominence in the world, the result is a profound and omnipresent humiliation and rage that is palpable throughout the region.


Read about O9A. There's a strain of neo-Nazism that cross pollinated with Satanism a few decades ago and they've maintained a small presence. They appreciate things like animal abuse.


And of course, the main publisher of O9A extremist propaganda is a multi-decade FBI informant...

https://www.wired.com/story/the-dangerous-exploits-of-an-ext...




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