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> What about if Russia switch to just using Chinese boats as a proxy?

Beijing has no interest in this. If anything, it has an interest in becoming one of Russia’s sole buyers.

> you have to have a rule that says we can board any ship we feel like and that's super problematic

Why? China is literally doing this right now outside its territorial waters. It’s fine. America would too, if foreign trawlers started cutting its lines. Again, if one person is playing by restrictions everyone else has already abandoned, it’s not difficult to conclude who’s the sucker at the table.



> > What about if Russia switch to just using Chinese boats as a proxy?

> Beijing has no interest in this.

The first cable and gas pipe sabotages using the anchor dragging method in the Baltic Sea in 2023 and 2024 were done by Chinese ships:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newnew_Polar_Bear

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yi_Peng_3

So obviously Beijing in already into this on the Russian side.


It's highly unsociable to ignore international law and agreements just because they're not convenient.

Classic American view point. Win at all costs, ignore the rules yourself but use another countries lack of adherence as an excuse to invade/bomb them.

You really think this is how we get a peaceful and civilised world order? You think this builds trust? Moral leadership? Long term reputation? Relationships?

Ridiculous. Sorry to be controversial but breaking international law should be avoided at almost any cost.

I guess one man's "sucker at the table" is another man's "gentleman who plays by the rules, and can be trusted"


> unsociable to ignore international law and agreements just because they're not convenient

My entire point is this is already the status quo. Nobody—other than Europe—is following the post-WWII rules anymore. There is a new set of conventions being de facto agreed to, and they will be set by the players actually at the table.


international as well as any other law only works if there are consequences to breaking the law…


Any punishment that involves breaking the same law to administer isn't the correct one. It infers no superiority and just kicks off the race to the bottom.


I’m sure Putin would love it if the west continued to turn the other cheek.

No, if your point is reasonable, it still doesn’t apply when dealing with a psychopath. Who TF cares about moral superiority in the face of an existential threat?

If moral superiority is so important, let Putin lead with it.




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