There is no logic in your statement. If you are even considering something done by Ukraine to be a starting point of these actions then you would have to consider Russia as the initiator of all of this, since, you know they started the war and are constantly destroying Ukrainian infrastructure. Thus, if you were a man of reason, you either wouldn't written something as stupid or you would have written "After the countless committed by Russia?".
Ukraine has the right to defend itself against the Russian invasion. That's not nationalist. It is basic survival. Ukraine cannot be asked to refrain from defending itself in order to secure that Germany has cheap energy import and an export market for its old combustion engine cars.
German economy is facing difficulties because of a number of reasons:
- Closing all nuclear power plants
- Relying on Russian natural gas
- Relying on export to Russia and China
- Being too slow to transition its auto industry to EVs
If we are talking about you reap what you sow ... I think Germany is a sovereign country that is free to choose its own economic partners without judgement from third parties. Ukraine on the other hand signed a bunch of agreements upon its independence that it would never join NATO but started making moves to NATO membership anyway long before this war. Then there was the Minsk agreements that are now openly regarded as 'signed to buy time'. Seems like Ukraine does not take its own signatures very seriously
> Ukraine on the other hand signed a bunch of agreements upon its independence that it would never join NATO
It did not sign any such agreements to never join NATO.
Russia did however sign agreements affirming Crimea as Ukrainian territory and promising to uphold Ukraine's territorial integrity.
What's more, in 2014 there was never any chance of Ukraine joining NATO due to the Russian lease on Sevastopol.
And you accuse Ukraine of breaking agreements? How did Minsk 1 end? How did Minsk 2 end? How did the black sea grain initiative end? How did Prighozin's truce work out for him?
Did you read that in your russian newspaper? What did you read are going better? Inflation? Currency? What did you read in russian news that made you think russian economy is doing good?
So you as a russian cant tell us which economic indicator your tiny economy is beating the much larger german economy in? Most russians dont even own a toilet.
I was just observing that Ukraine committed a blatant and extremely serious act of sabotage against European infrastructure- most probably with the help of the US. You can't be indignant for one sabotage and ignore the other.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions- otherwise you get into an endless spiral of "I did that just because you did the other thing first, so it's ultimately your fault".
I didn’t know about that. I listen French national news radio daily but apparently missed it (!). Googled it and it seems it’s not even controversial. Thanks you to mentionnent it. I’m not trying to troll or putting oil on the fire but I’m quite disappointed it didn’t have more coverage or aftermath analysis like they regularly do for consequences of the war.
> Everyone is responsible for their own actions- otherwise you get into an endless spiral of "I did that just because you did the other thing first, so it's ultimately your fault".
Why are you then mentioning Ukraine in this context if not to send us into this endless spiral?
Given the northstream 2 precedent it is actually the most likely outcome that the same entity / franchise behind ns2 is behind the cable cutting incidents as well.
"two things we're cut, so it's most likely the same people cut both" is not a reasonable assumption without evidence.
And we know the Russian ship cut the data cables, so if your assumption was true, it means Russia also cut nordstream. So why bring up Ukraine cutting nordstream? It makes no sense.
So if everyone is responsible for their own actions, why are you including Ukraine in this context? After all this is in isolation Russia committing (yet another) crime.
>I was just observing that Ukraine committed a blatant and extremely serious act of sabotage against European infrastructure
Even if it was Ukraine (it wasn't - read this about Putin friend's tanker https://www.businessinsider.com/nord-stream-mystery-minerva-... , tankers seem to be the favorite Russian sea-platform for sabotage), the Nord Stream majorly - 51% - owned by Russia thus it would be a valid target for Ukraine.
>You can't be indignant for one sabotage and ignore the other.
You can and should. There is huge difference between valid targets and invalid ones. By attacking Ukraine Russia made itself into a valid target for Ukraine. Finland and Estonia aren't valid targets for Russia.
