I don’t know if they’re necessarily two different conversations - there’s a conversation to be had whether the business practices discussed would have been effective in an ethical operation.
It’s entirely possible the success has nothing to do with the business principles and 100% the ethics. Same the other way around, or anywhere in between.
I think that's very straightforwardly the point of contention here. Some people are doing that and are discussing the business aspects; others aren't.
I don't think any particular discussion is more appropriate than the other, as long as people are in agreement on which one they're having.