>>I defend anyone against clearly agenda-driven attacks
Well, you have clearly massively misidentified my comment, from the start to the last comment.
I have no conspiracy theory or agenda. I simply observed, over time, from Musk's and Tesla's OWN STATEMENTS that he and Tesla insist that "Full Self Driving" is a legitimate claim (despite failing to prove it in court and settling to avoid a verdict) and that this is in contrast to the requirement that the driver be '100% in control at all times'.
One of those is a plain language lie. It does not require a conspiracy theory or agenda to point this out.
Yet you are more clearly pursuing your own agenda and conspiracy theories.
I've many times defended Musk on here, but no longer do as I have more information.
In contrast, you just posted this conspiracy theory:
>>like the coincidence of public opinion ... Tesla hit sales records precisely before and during the period when the mainstream/establishment turned on him.
This is not evidence, it is a theory that there is a conspiracy against Musk. Your claim is that it is not real people, but some cabal of unionized journalists (btw, only about 17% of journalists are unionized) that conspired to print lies to turn people against Musk.
You overlook entirely the most likely explanation, which is that Musk's own statements, often designed to be outrageous, speak for themselves.
Musk obviously chose his side and insists on being extremely blatant about it. I've never seen a CEO tell everyone to "Go fuck yourselves" on a public stage, or most of the other blatantly attention-seeking comments Musk has made.
The fact is that Tesla's primary customers are environmentally-conscious, which goes with more left-leaning politics, yet Muck choose the right-wing side, who typically deny climate change issues and hate electric cars.
He can have his opinions, but as he's not a politician, it was an extremely stupid business move to broadcast them so strongly. Or, maybe it's brilliant and he'll sell more Cybertrucks the more truck-driving RW customers than he'd ever sell Model-Xs to LW customers. But it does not look like it's working out that way.
But zero of this requires a conspiracy of the 1/6 of journalists who are unionized.
And it's laughable to accuse me of being media-agenda driven when I haven't lived in a household with a cable subscription for 2+ decades, and I treat all news media with great suspicion and work hard to find more accurate sources. While I've defended Musk on HN for his innovations at SpaceX, I also noticed that his executives have said that they have a team dedicated to handling Musk, creating a bubble around him to insulate the organization from his toxicly disruptive influence. There are thousands of other examples.
As the famous quote goes: "When the facts change, I change my mind; what do you do?"
>I have no conspiracy theory or agenda. I simply observed, over time, from Musk's and Tesla's OWN STATEMENTS that he and Tesla insist that "Full Self Driving" is a legitimate claim (despite failing to prove it in court and settling to avoid a verdict) and that this is in contrast to the requirement that the driver be '100% in control at all times'.
If the misimpression created by the marketing term is corrected by the explicit and repeated warnings and instructions given to Tesla drivers, then the marketing term cannot be blamed for inattentive driving.
>This is not evidence, it is a theory that there is a conspiracy against Musk.
The coincidence is the evidence here.
>The fact is that Tesla's primary customers are environmentally-conscious, which goes with more left-leaning politics, yet Muck choose the right-wing side, who typically deny climate change issues and hate electric cars.
So you are, in fact, supporting my point, which is that the attacks on him intensified due to the political views he expressed.
Like I said:
"Both Musk and Tesla are far from perfect, but the lengths that people go to to attack them is obviously agenda-driven and a result of emotions"
Trying to blame Autopilot accidents on Tesla instead of inattentive drivers is example of that.
>btw, only about 17% of journalists are unionized
Which major newspapers and TV networks in the US are not unionized?
>He can have his opinions, but as he's not a politician
In a democracy, everyone is supposed to express their political opinions.
>>I defend anyone against clearly agenda-driven attacks
Well, you have clearly massively misidentified my comment, from the start to the last comment.
I have no conspiracy theory or agenda. I simply observed, over time, from Musk's and Tesla's OWN STATEMENTS that he and Tesla insist that "Full Self Driving" is a legitimate claim (despite failing to prove it in court and settling to avoid a verdict) and that this is in contrast to the requirement that the driver be '100% in control at all times'.
One of those is a plain language lie. It does not require a conspiracy theory or agenda to point this out.
Yet you are more clearly pursuing your own agenda and conspiracy theories.
I've many times defended Musk on here, but no longer do as I have more information.
In contrast, you just posted this conspiracy theory:
>>like the coincidence of public opinion ... Tesla hit sales records precisely before and during the period when the mainstream/establishment turned on him.
This is not evidence, it is a theory that there is a conspiracy against Musk. Your claim is that it is not real people, but some cabal of unionized journalists (btw, only about 17% of journalists are unionized) that conspired to print lies to turn people against Musk.
You overlook entirely the most likely explanation, which is that Musk's own statements, often designed to be outrageous, speak for themselves.
Musk obviously chose his side and insists on being extremely blatant about it. I've never seen a CEO tell everyone to "Go fuck yourselves" on a public stage, or most of the other blatantly attention-seeking comments Musk has made.
The fact is that Tesla's primary customers are environmentally-conscious, which goes with more left-leaning politics, yet Muck choose the right-wing side, who typically deny climate change issues and hate electric cars.
He can have his opinions, but as he's not a politician, it was an extremely stupid business move to broadcast them so strongly. Or, maybe it's brilliant and he'll sell more Cybertrucks the more truck-driving RW customers than he'd ever sell Model-Xs to LW customers. But it does not look like it's working out that way.
But zero of this requires a conspiracy of the 1/6 of journalists who are unionized.
And it's laughable to accuse me of being media-agenda driven when I haven't lived in a household with a cable subscription for 2+ decades, and I treat all news media with great suspicion and work hard to find more accurate sources. While I've defended Musk on HN for his innovations at SpaceX, I also noticed that his executives have said that they have a team dedicated to handling Musk, creating a bubble around him to insulate the organization from his toxicly disruptive influence. There are thousands of other examples.
As the famous quote goes: "When the facts change, I change my mind; what do you do?"