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> Proton is clearly a front for the CIA

Do you have any evidence to back that up?


Hush mail and similar providers were supposed to be the go to private email back in the day. Turns out the FBI was running the servers for who knows how long.

I’ve had similar concerns about proton, looks like I’m not the only one.

https://www.wired.com/2007/11/encrypted-e-mai/


The article you linked is about Hushmail. Nothing about Protonmail.


I don't know if he does, but I vouched for this flagged thread, as this is a Hacker site, and such allegations should be met or discussed at least.


Does it matter if it’s a front for the CIA? I assume the big governments can reach me. What I don’t want to participate in is giving more data to Google.


Well, I don’t want anybody to get access to my emails.

I understand that if they would spend any effort they could easily get access (via breaking my phone or bones), but I don’t want to voluntarily send over my emails.

(Happy proton subbcriber; that would change if those allegations would appear true)


Happy to hear you're relying on our privacy-first services! No, this is not true, and we have addressed such allegations with our user community directly: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/14demhj/debunki....


> EU keeps people poor.

They keep people so poor that Americans need to hire European people for the high-end AI researchers, because EU still has the best education, despite having probably ten times less money. (Unless you consider being "poor" is exclusively about money and not quality of life, enlightenment and improvements to the society. In this case I'm happy to be poor but have all of those)


I mean it's to his point that US companies are willing to pay for top talent unlike EU.


EU companies are willing to pay for top talent too, it's just that the amounts they can afford to pay are smaller than US companies, for a variety of reasons.


> the EU keeps people poor.

Please elaborate, that's a wild claim.


The general premise is that they favor large institutions over small businesses, e.g. by having more and more complicated rules that require more overhead to comply with. As a result people are less able to start their own business, which is one of the major checks on the need for large employers to pay higher wages (competition for labor) or charge lower prices (competition for customers).

High levels of government assistance also tend to create poverty traps, because paying net benefits to high earning people is uneconomical but avoiding this when the base level of benefits is higher requires higher benefit phase out rates, which is equivalent to a higher marginal tax rate, in addition to the higher formal tax rates to pay for the benefits. The result is less incentive for individuals to try their hand at entrepreneurship, because the higher risk is still there (you could still go several years without making any money) but the higher reward is blunted.


The reality is more that USA built up VC and the like by having lots of capital (often government capital - Silicon Valley, Boston route 128, etc being built heavily on military funding), ridiculous demand (only western industrial country that didn't have its industry heavily damaged), lots of workforce (returning soldiers, considerably low losses). Hell, Marshall Plan essentially fueled demand for american goods, because funds provided in US Dollars pretty much translated to purchasing things that could be sold for USD.

The network effects were huge and paved the way for dot com boom and later cycles, especially with zero interest rates combined with huge 401k funds looking for any return.


I’m extremely pro EU but GP has a point. The field advantages the US had doesn’t change the fact that the EU as a whole is less friendly to small businesses.

Where I will disagree however is that it’s not an EU thing, it’s a country thing. The Netherlands for example is extremely SMB friendly. Yes EU has more regulations but most of the ones that matter, US SMBs also have to deal with them so it doesn’t change the playing field.


To me, the way it simply doesn't align with reality because of differences between countries in EU, makes the whole argument even more detached from reality.

Unfortunately, small companies when facing level playing field are also easier to be destroyed by bigger ones, and EU did level the playing field quite a bit...


> differences between countries in EU

We're talking about overall trends, not to mention EU-level rules like GDPR.

> Unfortunately, small companies when facing level playing field are also easier to be destroyed by bigger ones

That's not what a level playing field is. Large companies destroy small ones through regulations. The rules impose fixed costs, which the large company pays once and the small company pays once, but the large company has more money. Then large companies lobby for "uniformity", i.e. national/international rather than local rules, which helps only them because local businesses with local customers don't have to be concerned with foreign laws, but further harms the smaller businesses because the "uniform" rules are naturally more complicated since they end up just being the intersection of all the local rules that anybody wanted anywhere.


> We're talking about overall trends, not to mention EU-level rules like GDPR.

GDPR actually reduced complexity of rules you had to deal with, some of them imposed since 1998 if not earlier.

It's just that companies happily operated as if the rules didn't apply. Then GDPR changed one crucial bit of the equation by making fines for breaking the law actually be impactful (see also how NIS2 introducing personal financial responsibility for company boards started putting up a fire into them regarding security).

In my experience, the uniform rules are actually simpler than what came before often. Pre-unification you often had to deal with them anyway because otherwise you had smaller market... where the big corporation could easily just deal with the rules just as well as you.

A small company is not going to have considerable win from more rules to deal with, unless it's a subcontractor to a big corp (and that's a precarious situation often) or where it's going to deal with possibly ever-smaller niche.


> GDPR actually reduced complexity of rules you had to deal with, some of them imposed since 1998 if not earlier.

But as you point out, those rules de facto weren't enforced, and there are lower compliance costs if compliance is optional. The former situation is very bad because it leaves innocent people following the de facto rules at the whims of government officials who can then use violations to punish them for unrelated behavior, so unenforced rules are unreasonable should not be allowed to remain on the books, but that doesn't mean they're the same as rules that are actually enforced.

> Pre-unification you often had to deal with them anyway because otherwise you had smaller market

But you have the smaller market anyway, if you're small.

Suppose you want to create a new credit processing network. You're tiny and just starting out, you don't have the scale of e.g. Visa, but if you can get some local merchants to accept your new card, then you might get some local customers to put it in their wallet. And there might be some states willing to make it easier for you to do something like that because they want a local financial services industry instead of all that money getting hoovered up out of their local economy and into the coffers of New York banks.

But then most of the rules for that are federal, and onerous. Some of them are even international treaties. So you can't gain a foothold by starting in a jurisdiction that makes it easy, because the uniform rules make it hard. And then Visa and Mastercard end up with a de facto duopoly.




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