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>5sec 0-60.

When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person? Do you even know the 0-60 of your car? Do you realize how quick 5 second is to 60mph? Most sports cars of a generation ago couldn't touch that. Why do you feel it needs to be faster? It's plain dangerous to inexperienced drivers.



Idk what the 0-60 of my leaf is but I beat every one off the line when I want to. It makes me far more comfortable on the freeway to get all the power I want on demand to quickly and safely make a maneuver. I would never have considered it before owning an EV, but now that I have one, I'll definitely be considerate of it in my next EV purchase.

Previously I had only had crappy used ICE vehicles, and the acceleration was so bad it had never occurred to me how much better driving could be with good acceleration. I probably wouldn't include it in my calculus for an ICE vehicle, but I'll probably never purchase another ICE vehicle either.


Depends on the year, it used to be around 11s, latest models brought it down to 8-7 seconds.

Normal ICE cars are in the 12-18s range, sometimes <10s but you’d look like a mad man revving your engine high enough to achieve that.

5s is ridiculously fast and that kind of acceleration should _never_ be used in the middle of traffic or city roads.


My Tesla’s 0-60 makes a huge difference in normal driving, because the acceleration profile at low speeds is a lot more “do the right thing now”. Driving my minivan or other ICE cars feels laggy to me now.


This is the sense I was trying to communicate.

I'm not flooring it, but when I make a speed adjustment, it happens 'right away'. There is no delay. Its immediate.


A lot of that is the automatic transmission in ICE drivetrains. a manual transmission delivers immediate acceleration but still not as good as a Tesla


I drive a Jetta GLI, it’s 6.1 (edit - 6.4?) seconds - fairly fast but not a fancy sports car, no obnoxious reviving required. It’s a four cylinder, too!


You might want to check your facts. The 2022 Honda Odyssey minivan (not a small vehicle) has 0-60 of 6.5s.


I looked it up and that car has a 3.4 V6 engine with 280HP. Hardly a “normal” car, at least outside the US, this is entering sports car territory.


The Nissan Leaf has an official 0-100km/h sprint time of 7.9 seconds, while the Leaf e+ achieves a sprint time of 6.9 seconds.

This is easily achievable by many ICE cars. You can get a Toyota Corolla that matches this (and I’m not talking about the GR Corolla).


6.5 seconds used to be pretty fast, thirty years ago.

Now nearly every mainstream sedan or minivan with a V6 will do that, often better.


All EVs have crazy fast 0-20mph or 0-30mph speeds because you can just floor it and get instant torque without resorting to launch control modes.

Even my older model Ioniq is fast enough off the lights to trigger people with German ICE cars into thinking I'm trying to "beat" them somehow. Even though I just pressed down the accelerator to get up to speed in a prompt manner.


> I beat every one off the line when I want to.

It's easy to win a race when nobody else is racing.


> When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person?

1946 it seems:

https://www.motortrend.com/vehicle-genres/c12-0603-icons-unc...


> Why do you feel it needs to be faster?

Because there's nothing I hate more than a car that doesn't respond when I try to accelerate.


The amount of torque you get and how fast you get it is what you care about then, not 0-60 times.

They're not really related. There are cars with good 0-60 times that have terrible fast-secondary/highway acceleration; cars with big turbos, for example, and overly aggressive throttle-input smoothing (for mileage.)


I don't get it. The faster a car accelerates from 0 to whatever speed, the higher acceleration it has. How could it not be related?


I do know the 0-60 of my car... but that's not the point. I just want to make sure the reader doesn't think the range is low because it's some high performance car. It's just a normal Lexus suv that's not up to par in the EV category.


5 sec is slow-ish by EV standards.

The more important questions (for me) are how well it handles on curves, how efficient it is and what the range is.

The energy efficiency and weight (in American metrics) are 5.32 mi/kwh (extremely good), and a bit over 4000 lbs (pretty heavy; makes me wonder about handling), with well under 300 miles of range, depending on conditions.

So... It looks like it'd appeal to the people I know that buy Lexus cars. That's not me, but I hope they sell a lot of them.

https://ev-database.org/car/1943/Lexus-UX-300e


It matters when your competitor sells cheaper product accelerating almost twice as fast and offering almost twice the range. It makes you look like a huge scammer.


There's a saying in car manufacturers that Americans buy horsepower but drive torque.

Torque is generally what you need when you need that. Beat the person off the line because you didn't merge into the right turn lane early enough acceleration onto the highway and two lane highway passing.

Horsepower is largely a metric for top speed of the vehicle, and if we're talking about in a relative statistic for road cars, top speed is far more useless than 0-60


For Americans: always

For the rest of the world: I have no idea.

I have seen car commercials my entire life stating the car's 0-60. EV's I think are especially good for this though because it's fun to accelerate in an EV. Fun does sell cars, see the Miata, S2000, every convertible, etc There are tons of examples.

I, personally, as an average Joe, definitely would consider acceleration when buying a brand new car, I think it can be a good differentiator.


Are we gatekeeping liking fast, expensive cars now? Cars are an absolute fixture of American society, and even a blind person can feel the difference between a 5-second 0-60 and a 15-second 0-60.

It's fair to point out that, eg, a Corvette from 1960 was slower than 5 seconds for 0-60, but you don't have to be a total gearhead to want to be the fastest off the light.


I do. My Tesla 0-60 is 1.99~ and gets about 400 mile range


> When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person?

Are you seriously going to try gaslight us that nobody cares about 0-60 times?

I'll be charitable and assume you're confusing max speed with 0-60. Most people care about 0-60 performance as it's what they experience after.every.single.stop. They may not know the documented 0-60 time, but they generally know and appreciate better acceleration.

But I do doubt most people know the actual top speed of their vehicles, and relatively few have ever operated their vehicles near or at vmax.


Because 0 to 60 in 5 means 0 to 30 in even less than it used to take.

No need to be a sour puss, let car people love their cars


Aren’t Lexus cars luxury?


Lexus is the new Cadillacs they might have a 400 horsepower engine and really high performance but the people that drive them drive them like slugs.

They're the cars of old conservative rich people that don't buy American and primarily considered reliability


To some, to others they’re just Toyotas with leather seats ;)




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