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> The specific terms of this commercial agreement are subject to traditional confidentiality requirements, and we’re not at liberty to disclose them.

This sentence lets one think about the importance of openness in the Open Source community. I wonder if the community would accept the same clause if Microsoft/Bing were to provide the next three years of Firefox searching.



It's certainly unfortunate, but the business world does not work like the open source world. Nobody would do business with us if we required all of our contracts to be open like our code. We do things in the open as much as possible, but sometimes you have to be pragmatic.


I don't know if you realize this, but Firefox already includes Bing search by default. It's just not set as the default search engine.


Mozilla as an organisation is extremely transparent. It discloses as much as it legally and practically can.

That said, there are some things that simply cannot be disclosed.

Does that hurt Mozilla's mission? I doubt it. It is simply part of the operational process.

Have you seen Firefox with Bing btw?

http://www.firefoxwithbing.com/


There is already a version of Firefox packaged with Bing. http://www.firefoxwithbing.com/


> I wonder if the community would accept the same clause if Microsoft/Bing were to provide the next three years of Firefox searching.

Money is money. Absent some evidence of a conflict on the part of people at Mozilla, I would have no objection to that clause from MS/Bing. I would object to the deal as a whole on other grounds, though.


I would object to the deal as a whole on other grounds, though.

May I ask why?

Mozilla was testing having Bing search defaulted in their Test Pilot project. So I suspect such a deal may have been very close.

(I think Microsoft actually offers such a Firefox from their site)


Because in my opinion, assisting Microsoft's acquisition of marketshare in any market is ultimately detrimental to everyone. They are a societal and economic evil, and directly aiding them is highly unethical.


Yeah, so how that's fundamentally different of any other company? Do you really think that if Chrome would get 90% of the market share the web would be a better place?

It'll be just as closed. It would still have some remains of open source, but the technologies wouldn't work with anything non-Google.

Which essentially is the same thing.

Heh, Mozilla should start MozillaSearch :P


It is my opinion that, based on their conduct past and present, Microsoft's existence and power is a net loss for the world. Google's past and present conduct lead me to the opposite conclusion. Naturally, I will treat these two entities differently.

Hypothetical future scenarios based on some rather extreme assumptions I do not agree with are not going to change that.

You are, of course, free to reach different conclusions, but the level of hostility and condescension I've received here for voicing my opinion in response to a direct question is disturbing to say the least.


I think Microsoft is too incompetent to be evil these days. The reason not to use Bing is that the results suck compared to Google.


So pretty much what's being said here is "M$ sucks!!!! Supporting them is like supporting the murder of babies!".


So you're unbiased, then?


Do I have some obligation to be unbiased? I don't remember signing up for that. Opinions are allowed on HN, you know. This isn't Wikipedia.




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