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Steelmanning / starmanning are viable ONLY IF the other part is really arguing in good faith.

Assuming good faith is not always effective: it's completely vulnerable to various forms of trolling including https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

"The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it."

Trolls love making people waste their time refuting bullshit.

Choose wisely who to argue with.



>Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity

The audience are the other readers, not the other commenter. It's enough to convince them. If valid arguments are not enough for them then that's their problem.


The vast majority of conversations about politics have negative value.




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