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It says in the article..

A more mundane explanation is that hot water evaporates faster than cold, decreasing its volume and thus the time it takes to freeze.

[Edit - Cannot delete my comment now. As 'ketzo' points out below my point is not same as OP's. OP points out that hot water is less dense. Maybe less dense liquid cools faster]



That’s not the same point, actually.

That quoted sentence says that hot water loses volume compared to cold water.

The person you’re replying to is saying that hot water simply takes up more space as well.


So that means two things:

- 1 m³ of hot water is less water (in terms of mass) than 1 m³ of cold water

- 1 kg of hot water has a bigger surface area than 1 kg of cold water

I am still not convinced that this alone would explain such a phenomena. I'd rather believe there is some weird fluid dynamics and layering involved.


> such a phenomena

The singular is "phenomenon".


Thanks, English is not my first language.


it’s all greek to me!


Personally, I think it's still English!


por que no los dos?


The first seems compelling to me, less mass means less over all energy to freeze.

The second less so. Hot water has a bigger surface area, which makes heat loss fast at first. When it gets to cold water's temp it should have the same surface area as the cold water making the advantage disappear.


Actually, it is mentioned in the article:

> Water is a strange substance, less dense when solid than liquid, and with solid and liquid phases that can coexist at the same temperature.


Isn't that last point true for all substances? That's just how phase changes work.


It's true for first-order phase transitions but not for second-order phase transitions. The article actually talks about it further down:

> the Mpemba effect could happen through a related mechanism that Raz has previously described with Lu in systems that undergo a second-order phase transition, meaning that their solid and liquid forms can’t coexist at the same temperature. Water is not such a system (it has first-order phase transitions),


It would be pretty wild if they were immediate! But.. if you keep it moving at say -1, will it still eventually freeze? I struggle to imagine but don't know why really. Maybe it means something like that. Not that I know why that would be unique to water either.


Water isn't strange. It's state changing is what's interesting. That's where the most energy is converted. From latent hidden energy instead of specific heat.

This is where BTUs come in handy..


But it doesn't seem to discuss the possible effect on speed of freezing.




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