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Taking away the money, though, will cripple their ability to grow the companies.

No SpaceX, no Tesla, no iPhone, etc.



I don't follow your reasoning, either. Do you really think that a new tax on several hundred billionaires will discourage the hundreds of thousands of entrepreneurs that are out there, that a significant amount of them will not bother since they can only make a few hundred million before they have an extra 15% of their money collected in taxes?

Most entrepreneurs would be overjoyed to be a billionaire and have to pay that extra 15%. Seems like they'd be the lucky ones. Seems like a billionaire or an aspiring billionaire complaining about such a thing would be pretty weird.

The parent you replied to mentioned wealth being locked up to avoid capital gains taxes. There are other pros and cons, I'm sure. Do you think this new tax on billionaires means that less people will be trying to become multi-millionaires?

Note that I'm not happy with the current tax system, and this seems like another kludge. I also don't know that we need to coddle or incentivize wealth maintenance, it's not an end in and of itself.


Extracting the money from them will mean less investment. It's simple mathematics. You take away a billion from an investor, then a billion is not invested.

Even worse, you're taking the money away from the most effective investors.


Maybe that's the part I'm confused about. Aren't they talking about taxing unrealized capital gains, i.e. money that is being left locked up in a single stock, in order to avoid being taxed when it is moved? Wouldn't one of the effects of this tax be to incentive these effective/successful billionaires into moving their money into new investments, instead of being left parked in their already successful investment?

And most entrepreneurs are not, nor will never be, billionaires who are subject to this extra tax. That being the case I wouldn't think that this will put a dent in overall entrepreneurship. It might have the opposite effect, where there are numerically more entrepreneurs making capital allocation decisions, which might be better for society than having fewer people (billionaires) controlling an ever increasing amount of capital.

I grant that tax changes like this have numerous conflicting effects, sometimes unpredictable. Perhaps their will be another art bubble...

I don't think that it's a good thing that we structure our society for the convenience of those who can amass money. I'm definitely not fond of kludgy taxes like this one, but I also don't understand why so many jump to the defense of so few billionaires.


Exactly this. And even worse, you are disincentivizing the most effective leaders from driving their companies to huge success.

It eliminates the risk to established entities to be disrupted.


We’ll when musk started both those companies he wouldn’t be affected by this tax. In fact it wouldn’t have hit him until a few years ago and he hasn’t given either company money in longer than that.

And Steve jobs did t inject money into apple when they were creating the iPhone.

So you’re entire point has been pretty much invalidated


Jobs put most of his fortune from Apple into developing Pixar, transforming it from a failure into a powerhouse. The rest went into Next, which formed the core(!) of Apple's resurgence when Apple merged with it.

No Jobs money => no Pixar => no Next => no iPhone

Neener neener!


Musk currently has a controlling interest in Tesla because of his stock holdings. Under the proposal, he would no longer have the holdings, and thus no longer control the company.


A tax on personal unrealized capital gains will not take away any money from the company. It's privately-held, and has no effect on a company's balance sheet.


> no effect on a company's balance sheet

Selling masses of stock to pay the tax will push the value of the stock down. That has a large effect on the company's ability to raise capital.

As for the entrepreneur, he'll have much less capital to invest.

It's a fantasy that one can extract endless billions from a company and its investors without consequences.




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