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You really don’t even want them to know you have a smart phone.


I'm not sure that's much of a mystery tho...

They do also state that:

>Apple and the issuing states do not know when or where users present their IDs.

That's nice too.


Yet.


Some states already sell drivers license information on the open market, seems like the governments already done the damage with the info printed on the card (California, Florida: https://www.thedrive.com/news/35457/why-is-the-california-dm...)


Despite the constant of pessimism about tech. I think most folks glib claims of "yet" don't happen.

And I kinda wonder what use all that pessimism is in the face a protection that we would seem to want ... we like that it doesn't inform the state when the ID is presented right? No?


I think you're underestimating what DID happen. I think anyone from the 80s, 90s and even 00s would be shocked to know what's going on in the private data markets of today.


Surprised to hear you say that... nearly all of the privacy concerns that I've heard raised by tech people in the last decade have become reality.

Just a few that come to mind:

- A fun recent relevation is that companies are selling & buying netflow data [link](https://www.vice.com/en/article/jg84yy/data-brokers-netflow-...).

- [Govt tracking you by your cell location](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/fede...), and [another link on same topic](https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/22/22244848/us-intelligence-...)

- [Another one](https://www.vice.com/en/article/88ng8x/pentagon-americans-su...) about gov't purchasing and using other private data like browsing history

- Local police departments using cell-site-simulators to intercept cell traffic [link](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/carolinehaskins1/new-la...), [link to map of which states are confirmed to have them](https://www.aclu.org/issues/privacy-technology/surveillance-...).

- Apple, which previously has stated that they have a strong commitment to privacy & encryption, starts scanning photos on local devices; an expansion of their previous policy of scanning/sharing only data in iCloud [link](https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/if-you-build-it-they-w...)

- Concerns that centralized social media would lead to censorship. (Whether or not you think it's good that they're doing so, the privacy/speech concern has been borne out). [Instagram censoring political content](https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/06/censorship-facebook-insta...), [of course tiktok censors political content](https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/26/20883993/tiktok-censorshi...), and a google search brings up many more.

- The censorship of the lab leak theory for covid is a particularly interesting one... in 2020 it was ridiculed and censored, and then began to be taken seriously by the US govt and other "official" sources, showing that the censorship was way out of line [link](https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebooks-lab-leak-about-face-1...).




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