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There are about three fields like that now.

The median bachelor's degree in math or physics obtained in 2021 is basically worthless.



Just curious what you would say those fields are.

Off the top of my head CS is steadily looking like one of the only degrees worth anything and I’d still argue the value of that given the prevalence of self taught developers. Decent starting salaries for the most part, and very good starting salaries if you’re particularly good at certain things and an otherwise unheard of ceiling. Though I’m generalizing at the moment, I feel the industry is more complex than that.

Nursing seems ok. Salaries appear good at first, but the nurses I know also work ungodly hours.

Some traditional engineering fields seem ok in terms of employability, but wages don’t seem that great and many of the roles I’ve seen in those fields want a MS/MEng.


Nursing, yes. Pre-COVID it looked like it might have gotten saturated but since then demand has spiked.

Physical therapy seems to be doing well too.

The other one in my head was pharmacy, but I guess one needs a Pharm. D to continue on. Being a pharmacy tech also sucks, objectively.

CS, maybe. Engineering degrees from anything less than a large state school or tier one are probably better off trying to get into one for their masters. That's why I said "median" BS degree above.

Law is entirely saturated and dead.

Ironically, I see a lot of humanities students doing well post-graduation because they went in with low expectations. But society continues to dunk on them for basically no reason.


> The other one in my head was pharmacy, but I guess one needs a Pharm. D to continue on. Being a pharmacy tech also sucks, objectively.

A Pharm D is currently one of the worst investments. Their wages have been declining since at least 2015, and stagnant since 2010.

They have no ability to generate revenue other than hawking bullshit vitamins and supplements, because they have no negotiating power against the people that pay them (managed care organizations and governments). And a few big employers compose of most of the market that buys Pharm D labor (CVS, Walgreens, Kroger, Walmart).

Not to mention that you have to work evenings, weekends, nights, and deal with the general public. Checkout the pharmacy forums on sdnforum or Reddit, they are super depressing.


A bachelors in math or physics from a decent school should indicate that you have the capacity to learn difficult concepts, work with data, and you should have some experience with programming.


I would agree with this. A large portion of tech people I work with are not CS grads. I myself have a math degree. You do need to show that you can program and know your stuff, but you can still do that with personal/side projects/etc. Once you get your first job, then you're good to go and most won't care about your degree. I think now it's more a challenge of getting junior level jobs across the board.


Same here, math undergrad; not terribly difficult to start my career with and is now an advantage I think, albeit a small one.


Try convincing the median HR drone of that.


Sorry, but that doesn't translate into employability in 2021.

I have mentored math and physics students for six years now and even the good ones are having an increasingly hard time finding employment, and not for lack of trying. It's not uncommon to hear of seniors sending, say, 100 applications only to get ghosted on 99 of them.




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