> It was previously run by a company who kept trying to monetize the IP, then it was run by a few people who split off that company (and still kept trying to figure out how to monetize it and pay themselves a wage with it).
This is just false. Speaking as co-founder and project lead for Matrix, it's been the same team all along since we began in 2013. We were incubated until 2017 in a company which never tried to monetize the protocol, and then we span out to set up Element (formerly New Vector) where we keep the lights on by selling Matrix hosting and support/consulting.
At the same time we set up The Matrix.org Foundation as a non-profit neutral standards body, with an independent board where the original founders are deliberately in the minority - and when we set it up, half of the spec core team were independent of Element too. (This changed as folks on the team opted to join Element so they could work on Matrix fulltime).
Rather than spreading FUD about Matrix, why not collaborate and work together? Or at least spend the energy on improving XMPP rather than negging us...
https://matrix.org/foundation is intended to be the single source of truth for this, and has bios of the foundation board members (or Guardians, as we call ourselves as 'board members' or 'directors' sounds boring :)
I am not advocating for XMPP, nor am I nagging you. You showed up to advocate Matrix on a thread about IRC, stop accusing me of things and collaborate yourself instead of reinventing the wheel in terms of specs and in terms of standards bodies. Everything I said about the company and foundation is accurate as far as I can tell. I am very glad there is a foundation, but it's still not okay: submit to an existing standards body and stop advertising on threads about IRC.
Oops; either way, I was doing neither. They asked, I answered, then they had a hissy fit because it turns out they're apparently the CEO trying to score some users. Let's just end this line of discussion and keep it related to IRC and stop talking about Matrix.
I think you're being completely unreasonable. They didn't have a hissy fit.
You're trying to moderate discussion that you don't like, because it's not about IRC. Matrix is relevant in a discussion about IRC because it's a valid alternative. You can't police natural and useful discussion you don't like.
Fair enough, I shouldn't use such strong language. That being said, the CEO of a company making money off Matrix showed up to advertise, then complained about how I hadn't disclosed that I do some volunteer work at the XSF while simultaneously not disclosing that they have an entire company based on the thing they're asking about). That seems rather egregious and made me quite mad. My original answer I still think was perfectly reasonable too.
All that being said, you're right, I shouldn't get drawn in every time this person (whom I've just realized is the same person who goes by another name elsewhere) jumps in on every chat across the internet trying to advertise their product. My own fault for getting drawn in and using language like "hissy fit" that is, as you said, unreasonable. I'm sorry about that.
This is just false. Speaking as co-founder and project lead for Matrix, it's been the same team all along since we began in 2013. We were incubated until 2017 in a company which never tried to monetize the protocol, and then we span out to set up Element (formerly New Vector) where we keep the lights on by selling Matrix hosting and support/consulting.
At the same time we set up The Matrix.org Foundation as a non-profit neutral standards body, with an independent board where the original founders are deliberately in the minority - and when we set it up, half of the spec core team were independent of Element too. (This changed as folks on the team opted to join Element so they could work on Matrix fulltime).
Rather than spreading FUD about Matrix, why not collaborate and work together? Or at least spend the energy on improving XMPP rather than negging us...