We've have many instances of armed protestors / rioters over the past year. Many where figures of authority were targeted. Where the people burning thing in the hallway of the Portland Mayors house, just being nice or was their goal to burn it down? Were the individuals inciting riots with ACAB and other slogans, followed by aggressive assaults of police and small businesses just innocent aggrevators or was their intention to "burn it all down" as they proclaimed over and over.
This issue isn't that this is a dispicable situation, it's that the media is treating it as if it's a bunch of fringe right wing people (and lumping all trump voters in the list) when the same far left extremists were and are still using teh same tactics. Lives have been threatened for the past nine months plus.. and yet that was ok because it fell in line with what one group wanted?
It's all insanity on both sides and until people own up to it on the left as well, the country will keep being pushed further. The demonization of anyone not toeing the line of the extreme left these days is CREATING the thing they fear.
How many lives were lost last year, innocent lives? How many injuries? All due to the same actions and tactics.
Congress was sacked while the legislators were in session with the VP. BLM burned down a Wendy's. You really don't see why people would react differently to those events?
You really don't see that dozens of deaths, 7+ Billion in damage, the attempts to overthrow elected officials as well as security institutions such as police departments in the same light? You're selectively choosing a wendy's to try and draw away from the same exact actions.
Guillotines have been present at multiple protests the past year. Breaking of windows of federal, state, and public buildings. Large amounts of citizens storming these same places while staffed. Assaults, shootings, fire bombings, all happened the past year.
How is that different? If your response is because x or y felt a specific way.. Then you get it, it's the same reason these dumb asses did what they did. All of them were wrong and you should admonish all of them equally.
What attempts were there with respect to BLM to violently overthrow elected officials (because violently is the word here, zip ties, firearms, nooses and gallows)?
Setting fire to a police station, though unacceptable, vandalizing a mayor's residence, unacceptable is not remotely the same thing as "trying to overthrow elected officials".
Sure, and it's fucking stupid they didn't have appropriate security given the nature of the day. The insurrection didn't start on that day. If the label is being applied, it started when police were assaulted, innocents were maimed and murdered, mass scale breakdowns of security and control were in play, and collectives attempted things as extraneous as declaring parts of the United States an Autonomous zone, a clear act of aggression/sedition.
Fucking stupid? It seems at this point to be quite likely deliberate. Multiple requests for aid were refused, or ignored. The security at the Capitol was half the size as it was when a group of army veterans marched for disabled vets rights a few years ago.
That's not fucking stupid, that's an entirely deliberate and reasoned choice.
That is the million dollar question. Why were there so few police present? (so far I've read that Congress didn't want the optics of armed guards). Why weren't more barricades up? There are a dozen plus failures here, throughout many offices.
Conspiracy theorists would say it was less security to allow for chaos, which in turn gives further justification to pushing legislation / controls that take away freedoms.
All of us will say that it's horrible and just like the rioters, looters, murderers and general agents of chaos of the past year, they made a deliberate and reasoned choice to be a part of the chaos.
What I don't like is that statement that all protestors were part of the incident. Just as all of the BLM protesters weren't a part of the riots, evidence shows the same is true for those that rallied.
The bottom line is based on votes, the U.S. is clearly split on perspectives and each side sees things in a near opposite viewpoint.
> What I don't like is that statement that all protestors were part of the incident. Just as all of the BLM protesters weren't a part of the riots, evidence shows the same is true for those that rallied.
Certainly. If you protested and didn't breach the perimeter, you were doing exactly what BLM protestors were doing. Disclaimer: I say this as an objective statement on the action, and not a commentary on the relative merits of either movement.
You breached the perimeter, and entered the Capitol? Now we're somewhere else.
Some explanation, in a coup the countries security forces pull back to allow the protesters into the main government buildings so they can deal with the current officials.
The security forces then get rid of the protesters and the new set of officials move in.
Just a note, some of those charged with arson/destruction of property/other violence which were originally thought to be BLM protesters have actually been far-right extremists looking to incite the race-war. This isn't just some conspiracy theory what-if, these are actual charges against real people who seem to be right-wing domestic terrorists according to the federal justice system.
A good chunk of those "BLM" protesters actually charged usually aren't necessarily leftists, but often are just anarchists who seem to be taking advantage of the chaos. Hard to be both a radical leftist who wants to have an overbearing regulatory state trying to take away your freedoms and also be an anarchist, those are usually two entirely separate viewpoints.
This issue isn't that this is a dispicable situation, it's that the media is treating it as if it's a bunch of fringe right wing people (and lumping all trump voters in the list) when the same far left extremists were and are still using teh same tactics. Lives have been threatened for the past nine months plus.. and yet that was ok because it fell in line with what one group wanted?
It's all insanity on both sides and until people own up to it on the left as well, the country will keep being pushed further. The demonization of anyone not toeing the line of the extreme left these days is CREATING the thing they fear.
How many lives were lost last year, innocent lives? How many injuries? All due to the same actions and tactics.