That's the modern propaganda M.O. Lie and then retract and demand praise for retracting.
Go look up Nayirah's testimony where a kuwaiti diplomat's daughter lied about iraqi soldiers killing "incubator babies" and the media, working with government, spread the lies intentionally to start the first iraq war.
Go read about the nonexistent WMDs that the media like the NYT lied about to start the 2nd iraq war.
> The only path forward is to fully hold NYT accountable. Fire the editor and journalist in charge of the story would be a start.
That's not going to anything. The news industry "recycles" journalists/editors like the catholic church recycles pedophile priests.
People should simply be taught what Thomas Jefferson knew. "Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day"
The problem is that people expect truth and facts from the news industry. People should be taught what the news industry is - a propaganda outlet for the elites. And then let the people judge accordingly. The NYTimes will always be a corrupt agenda driven propaganda organization. You can't change that. What you can change are people's understanding of what the NYTimes is.
I oftentimes wonder why people want to defend the NYT and the only conclusion I can come up with is that they mistakenly believe they're part of the elite.
Simple defense mechanism. They were raised in educated households where its reporting was considered on practically its own epistemological plane of journalism, its writing standards a model around which to improve their own, and it's just really hard to face the fact that an institution you idolized has flaws, because it means you have to admit you were fooled.
The fact that we're even talking about the credibility of the NYT already places it on a higher epistemological plane than the mainstream media (TV news, social media, etc).
You wrap yourself up in your conspiracy theories and your "real truths" and judge the entirety of journalism to be a bad faith operation, that their is no nuance, no good individual actors in the system. That's why I downvote rants and nonsense.
- Moderna's vaccine will be shipped next week across the US
- Pompeo says Russia was behind the SolarWinds hack
I'm not going to conclude from this that the UK relaxed its lockdown, the vaccine will not be shipped, and Pompeo said Russia was not behind the hack.
The happy medium is: know when a newspaper was in a position to know the truth and trust them if they were, or if the article explains its evidentiary basis in convincing detail.
What's your point? You could make the same argument on every propaganda outlet. Do the same thing for fox news, xinhua, al jazeera, rt, etc.
It's naive to think that propaganda necessarily means lies. It's half-truths, excessive coverage, ignoring of topics, etc.
> The happy medium is: know when a newspaper was in a position to know the truth and trust them if they were, or if the article explains its evidentiary basis in convincing detail.
No. That's the childish naive view. You should know that every newspaper is an agenda driven propaganda organization serving the interests of the elites ( after all it is the elites who created these newspapers ) and judge accordingly. No newspaper is deserving of trust or should be trusted because their primarly goal is to deceive. Anyone who trusts a newspaper or a politician is a moron at this point. Just take everything they say with a grain of salt and move on.
Certainly the last thing one should do is worship the NY Times which many here sadly do. But then again old people are their target demographic. Easily scared and insecure.
The fact that you are being down-voted just by acknowledging something that is not controversial at all, illustrates clearly how the elites are winning heavily the battle on the narrative of current affairs. The media should not be trusted, AT ALL.They have their own interests and agendas , very different, from the ones of a common citizen.Never forget that.
That's the modern propaganda M.O. Lie and then retract and demand praise for retracting.
Go look up Nayirah's testimony where a kuwaiti diplomat's daughter lied about iraqi soldiers killing "incubator babies" and the media, working with government, spread the lies intentionally to start the first iraq war.
Go read about the nonexistent WMDs that the media like the NYT lied about to start the 2nd iraq war.
> The only path forward is to fully hold NYT accountable. Fire the editor and journalist in charge of the story would be a start.
That's not going to anything. The news industry "recycles" journalists/editors like the catholic church recycles pedophile priests.
People should simply be taught what Thomas Jefferson knew. "Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day"
The problem is that people expect truth and facts from the news industry. People should be taught what the news industry is - a propaganda outlet for the elites. And then let the people judge accordingly. The NYTimes will always be a corrupt agenda driven propaganda organization. You can't change that. What you can change are people's understanding of what the NYTimes is.