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It's so sad that some trolling assholes will try to poison cool projects like this by entering extremely high or low numbers. $33million? $123? $0 ... sheesh.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/



One of those $0s is mine. I'm an unemployed college student; it should probably be more like -$20,000. Just sayin'.


If you are unemployed or self-employed then the question isn't really for you (though the answers certainly are).

You're not acting in your own best interest.

If you accept that the site's trying to give you ammunition in the form of more accurate information. Then you hurt yourself (and everyone else) by putting in an absurdly high or low number you skew the results away from the actual market value.

If it skews high, you're going to miss out on opportunities by holding out for an unrealistically high compensation.

If it skews low, you accept less money.


You're not acting in your own best interest.

No, he misunderstood the goal of the exercise. I'd argue it's not entirely his fault, either. "What's your salary" -- asked as a general question, without further context, justifiably might not be taken that literally. (And there is no further context unless you've read the previous thread. The post here, and salaryshare.me, don't say anything that indicates this isn't a simple income poll.)

This is not a stupid or malicious user. This is a UI failure.


As I understand it it's a salary pool for HN users. I'm an HN user, and I put in my salary. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

I'm not really expecting that anyone is seriously going to try to use the average salary of HN users for negotiation purposes. But even assuming they were, it appears there are at least a few others who are in my boat. That's relevant information, yes?


You are unemployed; therefore you have no salary.

This is somewhat akin to placing "yes, please" under the "sex" column of a questionaire.


I'm not sure I understand— how does the fact that I'm unemployed, and therefore have no salary, negate the fact that I have no salary? Are you trying to distinguish between "no salary" and "$0 salary"? They feel pretty equivalent to me.

Again, this is an informal salary pool for HN users. I'm an HN user, and my yearly income, taking into consideration my no stock options, no bonuses, no salary, and no other non-salary compensation, is $0.

In general, do you really think the existence of unemployed hackers who earn $0 yearly is completely irrelevant to anyone who would have an interest in how much hackers are making?


Actually, yes, it is irrelevant, and yes, you don't understand. But it's not your fault. :P You're missing some context: this is a followon to a previous thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2438980

The idea isn't to see how much other hackers are making in general. The idea is to see how much companies are paying them, so that people who are being paid much less or more than they're worth can figure that out.

Granted, it's a pretty statistically silly way to go about that given the breadth of HN readership. The posts further down the thread ("PHP Programmers in Baltimore") make more sense.

Not your fault, though. UI guys like to beat up users when they screw up. Don't listen to 'em. You are giving them valuable, valuable information.


They are as equivalent as an integer value of 0 and a NULL value are.


It's not asking for your net worth. ;)


I know :'(


But the college asks for $20K every year, so that could be considered a negative salary.


OK, then after taxes, rent, food, utilities, entertainment, savings, and everything else, my salary is also $0.

Salary is what your employer pays you, not what you don't spend out of that.


And if you consider the university to be your employer...

But people, this was not meant entirely seriously.


Negative salary is an oxymoron. How can you consider debt a form of compensation?


Tuition is a little special, since it's essentially money I'm paying for the privilege of working on something I'm not being paid for.


That would be net income, not gross. Net income is salary/other income minus expenses. That's clearly not what people are entering here.


There doesn't seem to be a way of looking at the responses without entering a value, which makes it difficult for students, job seekers, etc., to look at the results without entering meaningless data to get there. Am I missing something?


Just enter a 0$ for now, won't do much harm.


The $0 don't really hurt anything. Someone who makes 60K and puts in 100K does a lot more damage.


The solution to this problem is to use a trimmed mean:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_mean




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