That's a fair point. I think I implicitly meant the combination of factors like "consent they gave me on the drug that didn't have any precursor in pre-drug state and which involves me being sober and them high". If I gave someone the drug and I just sat there sober and they tried to get with me, I'm going to deflect that for sure 100%. It seems wrong to take advantage of that state. It's easy to deflect in a way that leaves it open for talking afterwards.
The equality of states and setting thing matters too. People on MDMA love touching and socializing and if we're both on it, we both know what we're going into, so I'm content (in my sober state describing my high) saying I'd let a lot of that happen because it's fun for us. There are things you sort of assume and which you sort of innocuously chat about where you figure out if they're experienced. It's not strictly speaking consensual when you're both on the drug, but you're not wholly absent. Obviously you don't mess with someone's first time on it, you give them a safe way to be happy without escalating interactions. But if they're experienced, then you can both play.
The equality of states and setting thing matters too. People on MDMA love touching and socializing and if we're both on it, we both know what we're going into, so I'm content (in my sober state describing my high) saying I'd let a lot of that happen because it's fun for us. There are things you sort of assume and which you sort of innocuously chat about where you figure out if they're experienced. It's not strictly speaking consensual when you're both on the drug, but you're not wholly absent. Obviously you don't mess with someone's first time on it, you give them a safe way to be happy without escalating interactions. But if they're experienced, then you can both play.