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If Unix is your yardstick for simplicity, that just shows how far we've come…


Linux is incredibly simple compared to Windows once you actually your computer as a computer instead of as a really poorly made gaming console.


Try talking Grandma over the phone to help her share her photo directory with Aunt Jeanine, on the same PC. No command line allowed, and you know she can only focus on that type of task for 4, maybe 5 minutes top.


That wouldn't work reliably under Windows, either, as nobody knows anything about files and directories generically anymore.

(That's the reason why first the Windows explorer was suddenly sufficent enough and then almost completely disregarded)

A public folder on the same PC is way harder to explain than just telling your photo app to share it with your resident spying company/cloud provider, despite how wasteful the round trip is.

Not that that has anything to do with a discussion about the "unix way" as a special case or even superset of IDEs.


I think you're confusing easy and simple. Windows is easier (for most people), but linux is certainly simpler.


I can't imagine any system where you'd have a good chance of succeeding in that scenario without some kind of remote administration tool. Remote controlling a user over the phone is difficult, unreliable and time-consuming.


No command line allowed

It's easier to tell someone what keys to press than to find and manipulate UI elements.

on the same PC

On a PC, everyone already has access by default, so "sharing" doesn't involve anything additional.


My mother can't reliably remember how to operate the remote control but uses linux just fine (browsing, editing text documents, etc).


.. install remote admin tool? Gotomypc etc?

Or just tell them to copy it to a USB stick. Yep, same machine, it's still the best answer.


Share? Google Drive. Or email. Both of which are equally good/bad to explain to grandma on Windows and Linux.


Bullshit. You're talking about an operating system where the common advice for someone who wants to install up to date software is to fucking compile it from source because the whole community never got their collective shit together enough to allow developers to directly distribute binaries without a gigantic fucking headache.

Christ, it's such a fucking mess that one of the most compatible ways to distribute software is to write it for Windows and rely on WINE.


Hardly. I've maybe had to do that 5 times in the last...10 years?

And I split my time between Arch, CentOS & OpenBSD. The vast majority of things these days are packaged in a useful way. There's also flatpak and similar now.


> I've maybe had to do that 5 times in the last...10 years?

Good for you. Some of us have to install up to date software more often than every 5 or 10 years.


I'm running Arch on my office workstation. I install up to date software literally every day.


Only after a third party makes an AUR for it. I'll stick to an OS where the developer can publish directly to the users without 15 different packaging formats, thanks.


Again, flatpak, appimage, docker ... you can use one of these, don't have to use 15.


No, the developer can choose one of these. As a user, I have to deal with all of them because I cannot choose how the developer distributes it and there is no standard. If I could choose, I'd use AppImage for everything (since it is the only one that is portable) but I can't do that.


> compile it from source

Way simpler to do on Linux than M$ Windows.

> [no way to ] to directly distribute binaries without a gigantic fucking headache.

I mean, flatpak, appimage, docker, etc ...


> Way simpler to do on Linux than M$ Windows.

Completely unnecessary on Windows since it is an operating system, not a kludge of random source code from the internet.

> I mean, flatpak, appimage, docker, etc ...

Which of those is ubiquitous enough to ensure availability of what you're looking for in that format? In my experience: none of them. AppImage is easily the best, but the community seems to hate it because it makes things too flexible and simple or something.


> Way simpler to do on Linux than M$ Windows.

Where, pray tell, do people who write the software for this "operating system" store their source code if not somewhere that is connected to the internet? Do they use punch cards?

> Which of those is ubiquitous enough to ensure availability of what you're looking for in that format?

Have not met someone who hates AppImage. flatpak is also rather ubiquitous. I use both every day.


> Have not met someone who hates AppImage

Talk to Drew DeVault, to name one.


UNIX is very simple, it just needs a genius to understand its simplicity.

And it is 2020, I guess nowadays everybody understand how unix-like system works and how simple they are.




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