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We recently had to bin a beloved TV, and were looking for a "simple" 4k TV (i.e. not a smart TV) to replace it, and were surprised to find that they simply don't exist!

We ended up uncovering a 6 year old 1080p TV that was still in the box at Best Buy.

All in all, this problem might present an opportunity -- there might be new markets for these types of devices (dumb TVs, tractors, refrigerators, air conditioners, thermostats). Given them a modern UX, but eschew all of the creepy features of modern tech (always-on monitoring, open tcp/ip ports, impossible to repair).

In theory these high-quality, low-recurring-revenue products should be easier to build, and similarly easy to market ("we don't spy on you, we break in ways that are fixable"). And you can charge a premium, because you're offering the freedom of ownership (ironic, I know).



The Sceptre TV's available at Walmart don't have smart features in them (yet).

https://www.walmart.com/browse/electronics/sceptre-tvs/3944_...

- 65 inch (4k) - $350

- 55 inch (4k) - $240


I picked up a 41 inch Sceptre earlier this year and I loooove the lack of smart features. For watching TV in my office, it works amazingly well.


Just don't hook the "smart TV" up to the internet. Then you have a dumb TV.


What happens when smart TVs start coming equipped with their own cellular connections for phoning home.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21900246


Exactly, it can't phone home so you essentially have lobotomized the smart part.


You still get the software crap. An old TV, power on was instant, you can switch to a different input at will. My current TV has a reasonably short boot time (but still a boot time) but then switching to HDMI input it says "smart features will be available shortly" until it fully booted. The remote is also awful, you get this crappy cursor (operated like a Wii) that isn't actually any easier than using the UI with arrow buttons, you can't turn it off, and it switches from buttons to this mouse type input when you move it too much. I hate it.


they are still way slower because of software than regular dumb TV


well, if you just don't network the 'smart TV,' you can still have a dumb tv while benefitting from the subsidized hardware.




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