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What Does Google's Subtle Censorship Say About Us? (theatlantic.com)
69 points by grellas on Jan 29, 2011 | hide | past | favorite | 25 comments


Why is this being referred to so constantly as censorship?

Censorship is preventing someone else from speaking. Suggested keywords are Google's speech to us. Unlike search index content, Google is responsible for their contents and will beheld accountable when they are inappropriate. The only party being censored by filtering keywords is Google.

If you really, really, want to call this censorship then you have to also apply a "safe-harbor" type principle to it where you remove responsibility from Google for what the suggestions contain. I don't think anybody suggests that would be a good idea. And I bet the same crowd bleating censorship would be up in arms about finding inappropriate terms suggested if Google didn't do this.


> Censorship is preventing someone else from speaking.

One could argue the recording lobbies are preventing Google from "speaking", by means of legal intimidation. Legal censorship is still censorship.

Preventing someone else from speaking is a form of censorship, but censorship includes all means of suppressing communication.


On the other hand, the idea of search engine companies blocking autocomplete keywords is a new concept that isn't taken into account by existing definitions of censorship. Regardless of how you define censorship, the core concept is that censorship is blocking content that is deemed inappropriate. Google is essentially blocking content that is deemed inappropriate under some standard, so therefore it is censorship.

English is a constantly evolving language. Words' definitions aren't set in stone once they're entered into the dictionary.


Google is essentially blocking content that is deemed inappropriate under some standard, so therefore it is censorship.

A fun exercise: what else would count as censorship under this rather expanded definition? For instance, if I run a bookstore then am I "censoring" every book I don't carry?


Are you not carrying those books because you deem them inappropriate or because you simply don't have space for them all?


What if I'm not carrying them because I don't think they're good?


That's fine. To me, only the widespread and self-promoted idea that your bookstore is a channel for absolutely any public discourse (in the form of books for sale) would make your decision not to carry a book an act of censorship. This is why it is censorship when Amazon does not carry The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure, but not when Borders does not carry it.


I don't know. What if you're not carrying them because you don't think they're good?


I don't know, I didn't understand the point of the question in the first place.


Interesting because I didn't understand the point of your question in the first place either.


-1 to this article. Google isn't blocking anything. No censorship, they're just not helping you get to presumably illegal sites anymore. Oooh, they're forcing you to press enter to get to hacked content! EVAAL! Seriously..


"old people need" auto completes with "to die"

Sadly, this really does reflect on us, the vast number of English speaking google users. Trying to remove all offensive reflections of the garbage people type in is impossible though. It's not really bounded.


I'm pretty certain that if Google had people /automatically/ running searches for swear words, pornography, or BitTorrent sites they'd get a lot of people fired from their jobs (possibly even automatically ;P) and possibly even seized by the FBI.

Seriously: why does everyone assume that Google's autosearch result filtering is designed by corporations or those with overly chaste minds (I totally failed at coming up with a better word/phrase for this ;P) to mold the Internet in their own image, and not as a way to protect users from being unfairly beat down by those same interests randomly?


It certainly makes sense that Autosuggest shouldn't pop up any "NSFW" results. There's a difference between suggestion and answering. That explains why the sex/curse words are dropped.

But what about the racist results? That's just as verboten in the office. And talk of torrents doesn't qualify by this standard.


Until we can build a computer that understands English (not to mention every other language they offer autocomplete in) or convince everyone to stop searching for such things, I don't think it's possible for Google to filter out all the naughty/bad/copyright infringing suggestions.

My take on it is that they're doing their best to remove suggestions that are likely to cause them trouble, particularly the trouble they might be in if someone were to make a claim against them for inducing copyright infringement.

I wonder if they'd get any mileage out of changing the name? But I'm not sure if they could find something to make it clear that Google is saying that these searches are popular, not that these searches are endorsed by Google.


But what about the racist results? That's just as verboten in the office.

An experiment: try typing "nig" in the google search box. I think the results are somewhat localised, but I get "Nigella Lawson", "Night Noodle Markets" and "Nightmare on Elm Street".

But type another "G" and autosuggest vanishes completely.

And talk of torrents doesn't qualify by this standard.

No, but it does count as enticing people towards criminal activity, which would quite arguably be against Google's "Don't Be Evil" policy.

Another thing I couldn't get any autosuggest results for: "How to commit su..."


I actually think a lot of offices might care about misuse of company bandwidth, and the racists searches in the article require an understanding of English (which the Internet filter you will find installed in an IT department does not possess) to determine are racist.


This has happened for a long time for other strings. If you begin typing "why are musl" "limey" or "nigg" then google will stop autocompleting. Interestingly, if you begin typing "why are chris" "why are jew" or "wop" then it will continue autocompleting.


I'm surprised the atlantic fell for this story.


People need to be more carful with the terminology, not every editorial exercise is 'censorship'. Google isn't hosting the content nor have they stopped indexing and linking to it.

As for the 'torrent' thing, IP lawyers might be arguing that Google is helping users commit infringement via Autocomplete specifically with how instant displays results, also it might be part of Google's negations with record companies and film studios to get their content.


As for the 'torrent' thing, IP lawyers might be arguing that Google is helping users commit infringement via Autocomplete specifically with how instant displays results

The same argument is used against guns and dangerous knives as well, as they help users commit murders. The arguments against banning of guns is that "it is not the gun that kills, it is the person" and "if they really wanted to kill, they would have found another way". (Whether these arguments are good or not is another debate...)

I have not really done that much research on the gun debate, but couldn't those arguments be applied to this case as well?


If you want to do some research into the gun debate, a good place to start is the movie "Bowling for Columbine". Some people will think of it as an extreme left-wing-nutjob propaganda piece, but my recollection of the movie is not that it hammers you with a conclusion, but that it presents a bunch of different scenarios that are all 'odd' in their own way. Accusing BfC of being a propaganda piece is like calling Borat a propaganda piece, stylistically they are quite similar.

Anyway, one of the things that really struck me about that movie was the difference in gun related deaths (per head of population) in Canada and the U.S. Basically both countries have buttloads of guns and the justification in both is that they are for 'hunting'. I don't remember the exact figures, but the deaths per 1000 from guns was enormously much higher in the U.S. than in Canada. Moore doesn't give an answer to that dilemma per se, but he does throw it out there for people to think about and make up their own minds. Frankly, if that is propaganda, I think the U.S. and the internet in general need a lot more of it.

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As for the guns debate, you could make an analogy to poison, where you say that poisons are sold at the supermarket, so why not sell guns at the supermarket too? I guess the reply would be that the poisons that are sold invariably have some other practical use, e.g. cleaning products. Whereas guns are pretty much designed with the express and only purpose of killing stuff.

Then the gun-nut will reply "oh, there's lots of other uses for a gun, like sport (target practice), hunting and personal defense as a deterrent". The problem isn't that those things are wrong, the problem is that - unlike pretty much every other country in the world with guns - people in the U.S. don't seem to stop at deterrent, they are much more likely to use the 'personal defense' guns to try to kill someone else.

Why is that?

What is it about the U.S. that as soon as they get a gun in their hand they want to go 'pop a cap in yo ass'?

And why doesn't that happen in Canada?

Some of the scenarios I remember from the movie that were presented:

The bank that gives you a shotgun when you open an account

The mall store(?) that was selling ammo in massive aisles

The five year old that took a handgun to school and shot one of his class-mates dead

The Columbine massacre

The gun lobby holding a big pro-guns rally in Columbine immediately after the massacre

Moore harassing Charlton Heston (figurehead of the gun lobby) (this one was most like a scene from Borat - it was an uncomfortable 'excuse me while I invade your personal' thing and went on for ages)


> Google isn't hosting the content nor have they stopped indexing and linking to it.

That makes it pointless, ineffective, and minor, but it doesn't necessarily make it not censorship though. In fact, that ineffective pointlessness is what the article is getting at. Why is it worth Google's and the Entertainment industry's time to do something so silly?


People need to be more carful with the terminology, not every editorial exercise is 'censorship'.

I'm pretty sure that Google would be unhappy with your characterization of their change as an "editorial exercise," as well. [I say this even as I agree that is what they are, in fact, doing.] Exercising editorial control potentially exposes them to additional liability for the content which they do choose to display.


We better shutdown and close all the libraries and bookstores too. The page-to-eye data transfer protocols are evil, we need to crack down on this kind of piracy.




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