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The Fugate family of Kentucky has had blue skin for centuries (allthatsinteresting.com)
302 points by heshiebee on Sept 27, 2019 | hide | past | favorite | 86 comments


A fascinating article, but it's a bit frustrating that there are no colour photos. I tried searching the internet and found photos of other blue-skinned people but none of them had this genetic cause (mostly it was silver "supplements").


The internet seems to suggest this is Luna Fugate:

https://cdn.mutually.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/2-9.jpg

If so, according to the family tree, this would be the last homozygous member of the Fugate family.



Don't visit that site if you value your scrollbar or browser history...


https://cdn.historycollection.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/...

For everyone that just wants to see the image


I was curious why and tapped it.

It spams back button history so quickly that you cannot return to HN anymore. Open in new tab if interested.


Doesn’t seem to do anything on IPhone’s safari.


There's photos out there if you google for "autosomal recessive methemoglobinemia" -- for instance "Papa Smurf" [1] I just think it's super cool if you administer methylene blue dye, they turn back to normal within a half hour.

[1] https://abcnews.go.com/Health/internet-sensation-papa-smurf-...


You are mixing up 2 things. Paul Karason had a syndrome called 'argyria' from dietary supplements. The article you link mentions that.

The Fugate family has the methemoglobinemia condition. They can be 'cured' with methylene blue. The former could not.


Yep, you're totally right, not sure how I missed that. The article makes mention of the Fugates and some other folks with the condition.


> The Blue Fugates are shown in this colorized black and white photo. Date unspecified. Original source unknown, via ABC News

It’s somewhat dishonest to illustrate an article on color with a photo that was colorized by someone we don’t know at an unknow date-- i.e. we don’t know anything about how they decided which shade of blue to apply on their faces. So the only interesting information caried by the photo, the shade of the blue color, has no source.

Also, this appears to be largely copied from this ABC News article: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/blue-skinned-people-kentucky-r...


The main reason people turn blueish is because of excessive colloidal silver usage. I expect it is the case for the family in this phony story.


Did you read the story?


I read it but I think the reasoning might be wrong.


No it isn’t.


The diagram explaining recessive genes uses blue for unaffected and red for affected. In an article about recessive genes for blue skin...


Maybe it is using the same effect as “Hard-to-Read Fonts Promote Better Recall”

https://hbr.org/2012/03/hard-to-read-fonts-promote-better-re...


You're too kind


The just copied it from Wikimedia Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Autorecessive.svg


Yes. This one. https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads...

Even though it's taken from Wikipedia, they could have used a different one or recreated it. I was so confused while trying to decycpher that image.


It's possible I saw a member of the Fugate family back in the '80s. I grew up in West Virginia, not terribly far from the Kentucky state line. An older woman, perhaps in her seventies, was shopping in a local grocery store. I was old enough to know not to stare, but I wanted to, and couldn't help but do a sly double-take. She was bluish. No other way to describe it. No one there to witness it ever seemed to believe me (not that I can blame them), but it was a few years later that I learned the name of the family and did some research. Photos of people who are doped with enough colloidal silver to cause argyria (I think that's right) always make me think of her, and I often wonder if that was really what I saw at the time.


Some real gems in this article- “I’m kin to myself” and “she was as blue a woman as I ever saw” (how many blue people have you seen?)


If you’ve seen a lot of people who are hypothermic or recently dead of same, then haven’t you seen a lot of blue people?


I think that is meant in humour


Yeah, she's saying that they're the bluest person they've ever seen because they haven't seen any other blue people.

Source: My family comes from Harlan, KY and I have Fugate relatives.


My mom developed blue skin in reaction to a medication she was taking.

The doctor was so interested in her body's response he brought her in front of this university medical class. Apparently it's quite rare. It went away a week or so later.

(cant remember the name of the medication but it was certainly not a listed side effect).


I think there was an article last week the mentioned a rare side effect of benzocaine turning blood blue. Found it: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/common-numbing-me...


> The Fugates he treated ingested this dye and within a few minutes, the blue coloration of their skin disappeared, and their skin turned pink.

Really? Within a few minutes??

Nitpick aside, such an interesting article! The world is such a big and interesting place!


More amazing (to me) was that a doctor actually solved this problem effectively. A few times that I went to doctors with minor problems in the last decade, they usually had no clue what's wrong (they even admitted it), but prescribed antibiotics.


I imagine the biggest challenge your doctors faced was diagnosis.

It's a lot easier to treat someone when you can diagnose them at a glance.


Blue skin is a symptom, not a diagnosis. I doubt the doctor who saw him could immediately diagnose it, however he didn’t give up and cracked that case eventually (and even found the cure!)


Well yeah. I was simplifying a bit.

The doctor would have to do a bit of research, but being such a rare symptom, achieving a diagnosis for blue skin would be much easier than reaching a single diagnosis from something like chest pain.


Blood circulates much faster than may be obvious. It’s entirely possible that’s all it would take.


Are we going to talk about the absolutely ridiculous amount of ads in this article?


My blocker reported that it had blocked 118 items. I'd rather not know what that looks like.


Apparently I want to buy a blue sedan and I shouldn't make the 5 mistakes they list.

I wonder if someone is spinning me to finally take my driver's license.


On mobile (Android), a few times an ad covered half the screen and couldn't be closed... I had to reload the page.


Weird. I worked with a guy once whose parents believed colloidal silver would cure him of his ADD. Instead he turned blue.


That's terrible because, if I remember correctly, that's permanent. :/



This is fascinating. Krsna in the Indian epic Mahabharata is similarly blue in color.


Sonic the hedgehog is also blue.


He’s dark skinned. Not really blue. His depiction as blue skinned is more symbolic


So he’s blue-skinned.

Or are you implying he exists or existed for real independent of people’s psychotic heads?


All the written source material about him implies that he is dark skinned.

Visual representations of him show him as blue for other reasons (mainly the comical stigma against dark skin).


Perhaps OP is implying that writer(s) of myth observed this colouration in real people and used it in their myths.


If you want to see photos of that condition, search Google images for "methemoglobinemia": https://tinyurl.com/y6ct4ye3


That image from wikicommons showing how recessive genes are inherited but the affected person is red and the unaffected is blue.

I know the blue person in the image is not related to the article but it's interesting how the article is about blue people yet the "affected" result is shown as red.


Once I donated blood and it came out green! Everyone was astonished. No idea why to this day, any ideas? Blood is back to its normal red color. Wasn’t taking any medications or feeling ill.


I believe sulfates in the blood can cause it to turn green.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfhemoglobinemia


Thanks! I wonder what caused my sulfates to rise. Maybe something I ate, or an infection without symptoms that I noticed. Or perhaps I did take a medication and I don't remember. Or just something genetic.

Thanks for sharing, because it looks like it's not something I need to worry about because my blood quickly went back to red.


Methemoglobinemia seems to be a popular medical topic lately. It's an easily treatable disease, usually methylene blue is used, and it's more an inconvenience than anything else.


I don’t know if I’d call the inability for your blood to transport oxygen merely inconvenient.


It's inconvenient because of how treatable it is with modern medicine.


For all the people looking for color photos, not of these specific people but at least to give an idea, You can do an image search for "Methemoglobinemia" which is what the condition is called. Turns out people who have it are rather blue. Bluer than in the colorized photo in my opinion.


The travel channel did a segment on this a few years back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d-07Ced410


> the tint still comes out in their skin when they are cold or flush with anger.

It's a bit hard to admit, but I'm really disappointed there isn't a picture of this.


This is about as credible as a press release from [name of a prominent engineering school redacted]. There is no evidence of any blueness in the pictures.


Ashamed of it and ridiculed?

I would have tought of it a fascinating and fashionable! Especially with white hair. Man, I want that when I am old!

And yeah, their ancestors might have been incestous. But that isn’t the childrens’ fault, now is it.

Man, … people somtimes.


There is a much simpler explanation for that, silver in water. I assume that all the case is environmentally, not genetically related, or that the history is just fake.


Why was the color blue chosen by evolution?


That's not how evolution works... random variation, sometimes detrimental, will sometimes lead to advantage


Sometimes both. Sickle cell anemia gives you slightly better odds of surviving malaria for instance.


It's not anemia that gives you advantage, but the gene that gives you anemia. People who carry one copy of the gene (who are heterozygous), don't have anemia but have the advantage, while people who carry two copies (are homozygous) are at a huge disadvantage due to anemia. This is a classic example of heterozygosity advantage.


Sickle cell anemia is Mendelian and recessive. So if 2 carriers (Rr and Rr) have kids, 50% of the children will be strictly superior (carriers), 25% will be normal, and 25% will die young. Not a bad outcome, especially if you have a lot of kids to reduce the variance.


> 50% of the children will be strictly superior (carriers)

Is that domain nomenclature? Because I wouldn't call having to be careful who procreate with otherwise risk losing 25% of my children from that relationship as "strictly superior"...


2/4 resistant to malaria with no side effects and 1/4 dying is much much better than 4/4 dying from malaria


pretty good considering something like half of all human beings who ever lived died of Malaria!


I am mildly disappointed to learn that this is probably an overestimate, although it is pretty significant http://factmyth.com/factoids/malaria-killed-half-the-people-...


Thanks for calling it out! I think I first heard this from Plasmodium researchers, and in my mind the claim has strengthen over time. A better statement would be: "“Malaria could have potentially killed nearly to half the people who ever lived, predominantly children”."

And this is based off the idea that for most of human history people have lived in Sub-Saharan Africa, where the majority of people who lived died as children, and the predominate cause of death was Malaria.


According to the article, the evolutionary choice at work here was isolation-induced. It was each blue family member choosing to reproduce with another blue individual that propagated the recessive gene.


Why are y’all downvoting someone for asking a genuine question they didn’t know the answer to?


This is a joke right? Evolution doesn't choose anything.

In this case, the family had a hemoglobin variation, that resulted in a different kind of non-functional hemoglobin being produced. This hemoglobin has a blue tint. This, combined with their pale coloration, meant they had a blue tint.

This is not too dissimilar to how other hemoglobinopathies come about in nature. For example, the thallassemias and sickle cell anemia are two common hemoglobinopathies. Unlike the Fugate family's hemoglobinopathy, which likely did not provide any benefit, these two do provide some benefit to heterozygotes, and thus end up existing at a steady state in the population. The Fugate family's would likely disappear if it caused any issue in reproductive fitness (even a minor one), and the family reproduced among a sufficiently large population. However inbreeding combined with genetic drift means that there simply does not end up being a large enough population for the law of large numbers to take effect.

On the other hand, if the condition causes no reproductive fitness deficiency or increased reproductive ability, then the gene could potentially continue to exist in some very small number of the population. It could die out due to the simple fact of not having many affected people able to reproduce enough to make statistics matter.


>This is a joke right?

That's a really insulting way to answer a question.


I'm not convinced this is the real deal. Change my mind?


You think it's a bogus article? Look through the reference list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Fugates


Wow, I'm convinced now. The colorized photo made me suspicious.


Is this article a carnival sideshow? "<Family/Individual> had <unusual genetic disease you're unlikely to ever encounter> that caused <visible differences from other humans>"

I get it, we like to look at situations where people are different, but does this actually inform, educate, or improve us by reading? Or is this article just a chance to point out some people who are different.

I've been thinking about this recently, and trying to moderate my curiosity (because blue skin certainly piques my curiosity) against what I'm trying to get out of the article and what the people in the article get out of the article. Is the Fugate's family improved by this? What about other people with methemoglobinemia? Are their lives improved?

Another way to think of it is, who benefits from this? Who is being put on display?

Edit: I ask because I think these are important questions to ask, and because I genuinely have a difficult time telling sometimes. It's useful to see responses of how others interpret this.


This article is biologically fascinating! It detailed the genetics and the biochemistry involved, but also included a rich history of those affected. It's a synthesis of things that interest us.

Alzheimer's, cancer, and other disease states are also hugely interesting. That's one of the reasons people study them (in addition to the desire to save and improve lives).

Human stories often intersect with biology. Henrietta Lacks and the HeLa cell line...


I think that this article might meet those criteria, I still think it's important to ask questions like this about articles like this. Because it really is a fine line between putting people on display (like we literally used to do when we kept other humans in zoos) and examining the various biological traits in humanity.


So you commented before reading it?

Your critical thinking would be more useful in any other article that you believe does not match that standard.


I've read the article. I commented after reading the article. I asked questions because I was curious how others would answer them. Because I had not reached conclusions to them myself.


> Another way to think of it is, who benefits from this

I don't know about the Fugate's condition, but hemoglobinopathies are among the most common genetic diseases, and several are known to cause very severe symptoms when inherited in a dual-recessive fashion (like thalassemia and sickle cell anemia). It's unethical to conduct reproductive research on entire family lines, but when there is a pre-existing case study, one wonders what one could possibly learn about hemoglobin and why it seems to be a relatively dynamic protein. Just a thought as someone who does have a mild form of multiple thalassemias.


Well, if I saw someone that had blue skin (from the comments we know that there are still blue skinned people around), I'd probably be extremely curious, stare, ask awkward questions in my head, etc. But now I know, from reading the article, that it's just a blood issue and it no longer seems strange.


Sure. That makes sense. I can definitely see the value for more common issues someone is likely to run into in their lives.

Do you think that was the intent of the author?


Most simply, you should now have ready example of a recessive phenotype, "Fugate Blue", that will allow you to immediately understand how all other recessive genetic diseases work.

Further, this is an example of a rare genetic disease, of which there are thousands. However, instead of needing an expensive research project to find a cure, a simple off the shelf chemical will do. So if you are ever reading about "Orphan Drugs", you'll also have an example of a successfully treated rare genetic disease!




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