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I earlier claimed that the Patriot act allows NSA to spy on anybody, which is correct. And semantics aside when a court orders Verizon to secretly handle all the information about calls within the US or where one end is in the US [1], saying that they do spy on everybody is not really far fetched.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/ve...

I can't believe we are having this conversation on this board, that is supposed to be populated by people who have read that kind of news a bit in depth...



> When a court orders Verizon to secretly handle all the information about calls within the US or where one end is in the US [1], saying that they do spy on everybody is not really far fetched.

If the data can only be queried with identifiers of people with a reasonable suspicion of terrorist links, that hardly seems like "spying on everybody." Subsequent oversight board reports showed that automatic querying of the data with identifiers not associated with people reasonably suspected of terrorist links was deemed illegal and shut down prior to Snowden's leaks. If they could spy on everybody, there would be no reason to shut down that program. https://www.lawfareblog.com/latest-nsa-documents-iii-governm...

> I can't believe we are having this conversation on this board, that is supposed to be populated by people who have read that kind of news a bit in depth...

And I can't believe you didn't know that countries spied on foreign leaders before the Patriot Act, yet here we are. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/22/germany-accused-h...




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