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I'm not defending Uber here and it is very likely they are spinning this in their favor, but they claim that rate does include expenses:

> Ensuring drivers would earn a minimum of approximately $21 per hour while on a trip, including the costs of their average expenses

https://p2a.co/H9gttWA



They seem to be saying the $21/h is what the drivers would GROSS, not what they would NET after expenses...otherwise they would write "after" and not "including".

Compare to their blog here[1] where they are much clearer. "[T]he median driver in Seattle makes between $19 and $21 per hour before expenses. A typical expense range is between $2.94 and $6.46 per hour"

[1] https://www.uber.com/blog/seattle/a-look-at-driver-earnings-...


This wording is a little unclear. I’d have liked something a little more specific: “in addition to the incurred average costs...”. As is, it sounds like expenses may be part of the hourly rate.


That's ambiguous. Uber could say "we pay them $21 per hour, and they are expected to pay for their gas/expenses out of that" and it what they said is still true.


"While on a trip" is very slippery here.


It's actually very well defined, so I have no idea how it's a "slippery slope"


So there are 730 hours in a month. You're insured for all of them, but you might be driving for only 200 of them, and a portion of that won't be "on a trip". What percentage of the monthly commercial drivers insurance cost are they counting as expenses?

Same thing with maintenance. Yeah, that oil change may have cost $40... but none of it was incurred while on a trip.


ceejayoz didn't say slippery slope - they mean slippery as a synonym for "tricky" or "furtive"

For example, "$21 per hour while on a trip" could mean that, if a driver takes a fare 30 minutes out of town then returns empty, they are only paid $10.50 for the hour's work because returning empty was not "on a trip"


It's not "could" it's clearly the meaning. Out of town drives have surplus charge for this reason.




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