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There was a year-long module on engineering ethics included in my M.Eng. degree course. We discussed the usual "software engineering failure" stories - THERAC-20 and so on.

In my experience - the overwhelming majority of students just wanted to pass the module, had no intention of contributing. I asked a friend in the same class what he thought of it, and he responded:

"What does it matter? I'm going to be working for a company, and they'll have rich lawyers. Any problem can be made to go away with enough money. All I need to care about is my pay cheque."

Last time I looked at LinkedIn he was working at one of the FAANG companies.



When I was studying and we talked about that and other software failure incidents in a class my experience was more that most did not want to work on projects where failure had such a huge impact (i.e. death) or the discussion was about how can one avoid it from an engineering perspective. No one was flippant about consequences or talked about lawyers.

I also do know that people have been discussing AI, ethics and consequences in that same class now as I know the teacher. I don't now the outcome but I think people at least recognize the potential problems.


Was it the Therac-25 or the Therac-20? I thought 20s were unaffected.


Might well be the 25. I probably should have Googled that first, it's been a few years since I looked at it.

Point of my comment: you can teach this all you like, but it won't do any good unless you can break people out of the "I only care about the size of my pay cheque" mindset.

The money-chasing mentality is probably partly to blame for the mess we're in...


Lack of accountability. People get away with doing Evil (tm) things at companies, in the name of the company. Company gets a slap on the wrist.

US government was afraid to break up Microsoft. They were afraid to fine Facebook higher as well.




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