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400$ and doesn't need a computer? God damn, how are they even able to run VR games like this considering how much a PC able to handle them costs?


The Oculus Go is $200 and doesn't need a computer either. Mobile VR has always required less power than PC VR.


The Go is pretty cool, but the lack of 6DOF and the limited game catalog really limit its viability. This new device addresses both of these issues (since many Rift games can now be ported over pretty easily)


I don't know if that many games can be ported over easily. Most games on the Rift barely run on the highest consumer GPU's available.


I suspect that the developers of the top 100 rift games (i.e. the games that are actually pretty good and have made some money) will be enormously incentivized to find ways to scale down the visuals a bit because of the easy money they would make. The important part is that no changes in the game mechanics are necessary, given the identical controllers and similar 6DOF capabilities.


Of course mobile requires less power, but they mention Moss among the launch titles which is in no way a mobile experience. I'm thinking they are going to port and downgrade everything then?


Moss is one of the most beautiful VR titles out there. I'm very interested to see how it translates to a GPU a couple of orders of magnitude less powerful.


"Mobile VR has always required less power than PC VR"

Care to explain?


You need quite a powerful GPU to do VR on a PC. But mobile phones (Gear VR, Google Cardboard) can do VR with much less graphics horsepower because the entire hardware stack can be controlled. The path from the motion sensors to rendering the VR scene on a phone is very fast.

You still need a powerful mobile GPU to do good 3D graphics but actually rendering but the VR part doesn't require as much.


That sounds pretty handwavy though.

> But mobile phones (Gear VR, Google Cardboard) can do VR with much less graphics horsepower because the entire hardware stack can be controlled.

No, they just generally have a much lower expectation to meet of the graphics fidelity produced.

> The path from the motion sensors to rendering the VR scene on a phone is very fast.

What would you say slows this down on a modern PC? Is it the connections to the headset? Is it the OS?

> You still need a powerful mobile GPU to do good 3D graphics but actually rendering but the VR part doesn't require as much.

Why would this be different between mobile and a normal PC? Both need to render a image at 60fps (or probably 90), for two viewpoints, regardless of if it is driven by a PC or a mobile. What is different?


The killer issue for VR is latency. If you have a lot of latency between the motion and the rendering people will throw up. And it's much easier to control that latency on a mobile phone platform than on a PC.

John Carmack has written extensively on this subject if you are interested. One example he gives is that graphics card drivers will aggressively buffer draw commands to increase performance and image fidelity at the cost of latency. In a normal game that's no problem but that is terrible for VR. Even a little bit of delay between movement and the display reflecting your new position is nauseating.

On mobile, the latency can be highly controlled from the driver, OS, and custom hardware even while sacrificing other performance.


Right, so the "fight" is between more raw power on on a PC vs more direct driver access on mobile.

Except that only holds up if you consider the headset a primary gaming device.

Usually people expect a certain graphical fidelity from PC or console games, so either we have a world with only consoles (which have standardized hw/sw stacks like mobile) and mobiles are gaming devices or we have one that is just like it has been for the last 10-15 years. Which do you think is more likely?


I'm not sure the point you're trying to make.


>But mobile phones (Gear VR, Google Cardboard) can do VR with much less graphics horsepower

I'd say mobile phones can do much less VR with much less graphics horsepower. I tried both Oculus, Vive and Cardboard, and the last was terribly underwhelming after seeing proper VR solutions.


It basically has a mid-range smartphone inside.

Don't expect the games on this to look anywhere near as good as PC VR games.


Mid-range smartphone with a way overpowered GPU


But I assume it's wifi only? Take out that hardware and beef up the screen/gpu a bit.


Just like your smart phone doesn't need a computer.


A powerful smartphone costs twice that, though, and that's without the fancy hardware.


Form factor makes a big difference. When you need to cram things down into a small size it can get very expensive.


Yep. It's interesting to see how much cheaper some no-name Android tablets were from similarly specced phones.


It likely wont look as nice as it would on a top end graphics card with a high end monitor (or two), but if it works it works.




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