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These companies should be driven out of business, by whatever means necessary. They are terrible.


> they're also run and managed by real assholes. complete entitlement complex - definitely a sign of corruption / abuse.

Examples? Not saying you are wrong, just want to understand.

> They are terrible.

Reasons? Again, just trying to understand perspectives.


they treat their employees and sales/solutions partners (even americans) like fucking garbage. like, the problems only barely begin at not paying their bills and speaking rudely to people on the phone. it's 100% indicative of some kind of a guaranteed revenue stream. nobody else acts that way, not even i.e. oracle or microsoft. in fact big "real" technology companies are usually a pleasure to deal with once you understand how they work.

and it's not just the big players -- there are dozens if not hundreds of little cottage industries bodyshops that use their previous bigfirm alumni connections to do the exact same thing. fuck all of them. ever hear of an "approved vendors list"? those are all now hijacked by bodyshop crony dipshits. and that's just the tip of the scam iceberg. i haven't dealt with any of these assholes in over 5 years and it still makes me angry.

excuse my french but this is a HUGE problem in our industry and needs straight talk. h1b's aren't the only people they abuse. that's just the engine that drives the entire shit show forward.


Exactly what is the scam here?

I understand to you think they (TCS etc.) are rude and not well-qualified but there are American customers who are paying for their consulting services by the hour; I assume they are fundamentally satisfied otherwise they would go elsewhere?

That they are putting in a lot applications - that seems to be within the letter of the law; maybe not the intention but I am not sure as this have been going for a while.


This is how it works.

They're fundamentally satisfied because their staffing budgets look awesomely low, there is a latency between the time the hiring is done and the dung hits the turbine, then they somehow manage to pass the blame for the shitty systems on to external factors, and they move on to a higher paid position or take their golden parachute before the horrible reality sinks in to those left behind that they have been royally shafted. The shaftees are too embarrassed to admit they were hoodwinked (and stupid), so they make excuses too, and the cycle repeats.

The whole time this is happening, the competent engineers have been screaming and rending their garments, to no avail, until they are laid off for not being team players or for earning too much.


The people that pay the bills are frequently several layers removed from actually working with these outfits.


This. In a lot of companies, top management are the ones that make the decision to outsource - and for a lot of them, cost is by far the largest factor they care about. The people below them get to firefight and deal with the fallout.


It's not just IT, it's just like this in law with document review sweatshops and we are American citizens!


The three combined employ close to 7,00,000 people. Many of them Americans. They should be disciplined not destroyed.


We are always do afraid of destroying big corporations because of the associated jobs. However, if there was a demanded that those companies were filling then other companies will take their place and grow to fill that demand. Companies that get frequently replaced by innovative competitors and get seriously punished for misbehavior rather than just getting off with a small find would make for a much more competitive economy and a more desirable society.


Why not destroyed? It should be easier for companies to lose their corporate charters, because it sets a bad example to others if they can profit from being a bad citizen. In other words, you're going to invite to your party someone who previously shit in your pool?


Those are jobs primarily taken from other workers, not new jobs being created. If these companies didn't exist (and they shouldn't), that many jobs would be held by better paid American counterparts instead.


It should be 700,000 and I don't know if most of them are Americans, from what I see those companies have acquired a lot of other businesses around the world and hire people there also. So for sure they employ around 700k people around the world but saying that most of them are americans would probably need some source to back it up.

EDIT: TCS had "The number of non-Indian nationals was 21,282" in 2013.

EDIT2: Cognizant "The company has more than 255,800 employees globally, of which over 150,000 are in India"

EDIT3: Infosys "Its workforce consists of employees representing 122 nationalities working from 32 countries (37 countries as per the base location)."

So Americans are minority in those companies.


As an aside, "7,00,000" is common to see in India. 1,00,000 (100,000) is 1 lakh. So 700,000 is said as "seven lakh" and written as 7,00,000.

If you go even higher, 10,000,000 is written as "10,00,00,000" and called "1 crore".


The last number you wrote (10,00,00,000) is ten crore, not one.


You're totally right and the commas should have tipped me off to that.


You focussed on wrong things.

No one said Most of Them. I said Many of Them. There's a difference. And if it wasn't clear earlier, let me state it clearly. The three companies have most of their employees in India. But there are people employed in other countries too.


This is weird. Did you edit your post maybe? I would swear I've seen "most" there when I started writing my reply.


In all integrity I did not.




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