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> Prime Minister Rishi Sunak suggested adult smokers trying to quit would still have access to alternatives like vapes under the proposals

How does this work? So I have to talk to a doctor to get my Bubblegum Ice disposable?


No, it just means you'll need to find a refillable version of your beloved Bubblegum Ice flavor...

> The latest changes would also introduce powers to stop refillable vapes being sold in a flavour marketed at children and to require that they be produced in plainer, less appealing packaging.

...provided it doesn't have an attractive label with pretty colors.


> ...provided it doesn't have an attractive label with pretty colors.

...or flavors that someone arbitrarily decides are "marketed at children".

I used to occasionally enjoy a clove cigarette until US regulators decided that all flavored cigarettes, except menthol, were targeting children and banned them.

I also vaped nicotine for a year or two and loved the flavor variety, but regulators were making noise about taking the same approach there. I got tired of cleaning the goo off my car windshield so I kinda faded out of that out of laziness and have no idea where the laws went. At the time I was hearing talk of the flavor juices being sold separately from unflavored nicotine liquid.

Adults like things that taste good in the same way that they like cartoons and video games. Regulators all too often act like anything sweet and flavorful, bright and colorful, or just fun is inherently targeting children and it's incredibly frustrating.


> " I got tired of cleaning the goo off my car windshield "

Imagine what that does a person's lungs


Go to any fast food restaurant and watch them clean the grills, and imagine what that does to a person's gut.

I don't think anyone's arguing that vaping is better than not vaping in this thread, so your point is kind of falling on deaf ears. At some point you just have to accept that some people don't care about keeping their insides in good condition, or believe that the impact things have on their insides is not the same as they have on the environment, and let people do whatever they want with their own body.


Is that really a fair comparison though, considering the digestive system is far more robust and is supposed to be self-cleaning? Lungs can't even deal with dust kicked up by the weather as they'll fill with mucus and reduce your breathing capacity, meanwhile a stomach can process and eject even sand. I'd worry about things that challenge the delicate processes of the lungs before anything that challenges my digestive tract.


I don't think that your lungs are permanently coated in vape goo. Eventually your lungs will also clean themselves out.

It's not supposed to be a literal like-for-like comparison, more an illustration that people knowingly put things inside themselves that do them harm.


> Imagine what that does a person's lungs

That goo is propylene glycol, the main liquid component of most vape juices. It's also used in theatrical fog machines, which are generally considered safe to fill a room with and then let the general public wander around in. It's also used as a carrier for inhalable medications, including asthma inhalers, so medical professionals are OK with someone in respiratory distress inhaling it.

Obviously neither of those use cases are directly comparable to someone who is heavily using a vape, especially a "cloud chaser" who is intentionally going after thick clouds, so there are certainly unknowns but there's not really any reason to expect it to be horrible.

There have of course been issues with specific additives found in certain vape products turning out to be irritating or harmful but that's a very different matter from implying the whole concept is harmful.

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Of course inhaling anything that isn't either clean air or a medically validated mix of oxygen and inert gases is not ideal, but it's also worth remembering that these are primarily an alternative to smoking either cigarettes or weed. If someone who would otherwise be lighting some rolled up dried out plants on fire and inhaling the combustion products is instead getting the active ingredients they crave delivered by inhaling an aerosolized goo that's generally considered safe to inhale I'd say that's a firm positive.


FWIW even menthol cigarettes have been illegal in the UK for a couple of years now.


Too bad the refillable/pods are much, much worse. I use Veev Now disposables because the pod version (Veev One) is just so much worse - in taste but also generally. It's much more "wet" than the disposable, makes me unable to use it. And the liquid from the pod version comes out into your mouth sometimes, never happened with the disposable.

The disposable is not just the same thing, if you take it apart it's much more complicated than just liquid - there is a series of filters and there is no liquid storage, it's stored in some kind of sponge.


Any aggregator will be successful since people don't want to manually search for news & trends. The real trick is aggregating the aggregators. That's still a hard problem.


I find DuckDuckGo's[0] (DDG) images feature to be a brilliant replacement for Google Images/Lens. Google Images doesn't let you view the actual resource anymore and disabled that feature years ago. DDG's image feature is crucial since it doesn't bring you to the site itself, it just points to the raw URL of where the asset resides and you can easily download it, without hunting the graphics down on the site itself, although DDG does offer a link to the page where the image was found. The important bit is pressing the 'View File' button.

[0] https://duckduckgo.com/


I think google got into legal trouble for doing this (linking directly to the source image, instead of to the site)

Or they were at least threatened with legal action. I remember when it happened many of my friends were annoyed overnight


I doubt a legal case would succeed, and Google would know that. But the types of companies who threaten to sue over deep image linking are also the most likely to threaten not to sign contracts for content sharing with YouTube etc or for ad services. In other words, Google's other businesses create a liability for their search effectiveness.


If I recall right, it was over Getty Images, who were upset that people were right-clicking their images to save them from the image search (with the watermark) instead of clicking through to the page to be prompted to buy it

So rather than just delist Getty and solve the problem, they decided to make their product objectively worse


There has never been a better time to /game/ Linux


JS is an embellishment. Think of an electric stairs, it still works even with no power. I do all my sites like this. It must work without JS, because some users disable JS for privacy or accessibility reasons, and I care about those users.


Nice analogy about the stairs.


Sumi News[0] is a good non-biased sweep of current events, aswell as Wikipedia's current events page[1]

[0] https://sumi.news/

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events


Thanks


Even without Tor, HN temporarily and randomly shadowbans your first post. It stops a bunch of newbs being able to spam /newest


>It stops a bunch of newbs being able to spam /newest

Understandable and probably good if sometimes knowledge of how to place a thought form remains esoteric.

Normally I'd just wait a bit, post in earnest, and wait for some... entity... to take notice I am not a malicious ghost in the machine, but it is "the season" :-)


Same here. I even read HN before I read my local news sites in the morning, pre-coffee. Typically I hunt for game-changing news that affects our entire industry, or some tooling which I can leverage. Everything else is just noise.


I throw mud at the wall and see what sticks. Then discard what I'm not naturally good at. Waste of time & energy fixing weaknesses. Play to your strengths.


More on-device AI. Shift from off-prem compute to on-prem. Open source LLMs run locally, no more black boxes.


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