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Has any production battery become cheaper than LEAC ACID for computer UPS ? I have not seen new cheaper UPS getting launched.

Many "solar power stations" can be used as a UPS, with competitive switching speed. Just not sold under that label. You can even get one made entirely in the US, but it will cost you: https://enphase.com/store/portable-energy/iq-powerpack-1500-...

But yeah, the cheap chinese "power stations" run circles around most UPS capacity wise. UPS market is very complacent.


Seems like an opportunity for someone

No, it's a bad fit. it would be pure marketing. Lipo slowly destroy themselves when charged. Lead acid slowly destroy themselves when not charged.

There are different LIPO chemistries. LFP in particular has little problem with being fully charged. You'll see it get swapped in for lead acid chemistries even in places like car/motorcycle batteries.

If you want an Lithium power supply then the keyword to look for is "LFP".


And LFP is also cheaper per unit energy and less of a fire hazard. Hard to imagine why you would use a different lithium-chemistry in a UPS.

Can't we just not push the lipos to 100% and have the UPS maintain a ~60% charge instead and get a long life span?

Many of these power stations (including the one I linked) are LFP chemistry

Lead Acid as far as I know is about $500 per KWh of usable space due to their depth of discharge being limited to about 50% and then they last about 3 to 5 years if they kept within their 500 cycles at most. Whereas a LiPho battery will last 10-15 years, 6000 cycles and costs about £120 a KWh. So I have no idea how UPS based on lead acid is ending up cheaper, its not based on the battery tech cheapness.

UPS aren't really cheaper.

Sure, up front you're paying very little for that box that can run your PC for an hour.

But over 2-4 years you'll have to replace that UPS after it fails catastrophically in really dumb ways, and that's if you're lucky and it doesn't also burn your house down, whereas a proper storage system will last for a long, long time with more capability.

In my business I've never had a deskside UPS live longer than that.

And yes, we don't buy the ultra expensive ones. That's true.


Do not try this at home, but I replaced the lead acid battery in my UPS with a LFP battery. From what I read online, the charging curves for lead acid batteries and LFP batteries are very similar. The LFP batteries have a slightly higher charging voltage, so I expect my LFP battery to only charge upto about 80% capacity or so due to the charging voltage being slightly too low. I'm hoping the battery will last 10 years instead of 2 or 3 years.

Do not try this at home, as changing battery chemistry is quite ill advised.


Some of the power stations from Ecoflow/Anker/Bluetti are competitive in terms of price and capacity while still having a fast enough switchover for UPS purposes.

They tend to have features that may not be necessary for a UPS (eg solar or DC input), while lacking some features that are more common on UPS (eg companion app to turn your computer off when UPS gets low, although you might be able to rig your own solution)


Eaton and APC at least have models with LFP chemistry, with comparable prices across power ratings. The LFP will be more expensive though due to the increased longevity, at least until lead-acid ones stops being produced.

UPS is kinda different since they are hardly used. I haven't done the calculation but it would guess lead acid is still cheaper?

Problem with Lithium ones is that they tend to be quite flammable. Lead acid is mostly inert I believe?

LFP is a lot safer than NMC. I think it's almost on par with Lead-Acid.

Weirdly, none of the many phones, tablets and laptops I've owned have ever caught on fire.

I guess I've just been lucky.


It’s not as much about the risk of failure, as both are safe when the correct safety measures are in place.

But what might happen when they fail - thermal runaway is no joke with lithium-ion, ask any firefighter.


I've had laptop batteries swell up, which is disconcerting to say the least.

The acid in lead acid is sulfuric acid and if overcharged vents hydrogen gas, thats why they need a ventilated space typically. Sealed lead acid have safety vents that might pop if enough pressure builds.

They are most certainly not inert, they just have well established safety and charging protocols and are not used in very high quantities together because of their low energy density and cycle life.

LFP batteries which have iron phosphate cathodes are very stable compared to colbalt based batteries that tend to have catastrophic failures due to overcharge causing cathode failure. LFP have higher cycle life and are cheaper and typically whats used for storage and application where the loss in erergy density is not a big deal.


I am not effected by this version of bubble, except for I want RAM prices to come down for my new PC build.

All, you have to do is wait. Seriously, just wait. if the tech deflationists are right, you'll get more cost effective memory every several years or decades at least.

In somehwere around 1999, my high school buddy, worked overtime shifts to afford a CPU he had waited forever to buy! Wait for it, it was a 1 GHZ CPU!


Somebody do the math on when we will reliably start running out of Grid Power. Than only this "AI builout" will slow down. Manufactiring generators is boring, and very less invested than manufacturing AI servers.


I wish I saw more people realizing the build out promising being made by the big AI are physically impossible

not only is it impossible to build that much power generation on those timelines

it's also not possible to build enough GPUs to fill a purported tripling of US datacenter capacity

what's the ROI on giant empty warehouses full of empty server racks and no electricity?


That's why its increasingly more important to find answers how to build these models that work sustainably. The approach of training with HUGE amount of data requiring HUGE infra seems to have blinded the hype-bros that they are not planning to innovate to do it in a small-scale.


Also the transformers. (The big magnetic ones for voltage convetion)


At least if the robots in disguise turned up, we'd answer the AGI question


Why do you think the build out will stop instead of electricity prices soaring?

They can afford to pay more.


Ancedotal: I used to believe in this "freedom to install". Than my Father got scammed (~$1000) in the name of Electricity recharge. The APK was sent over WhatsApp. Now I am not so sure how to implement this freedom. At the bare minimum there has to be big red warnings.

One thing which can immediately improve security is forbidding SMS read access forever. Just like Apple does. No App should be able to read SMS.


So your father: 1. Downloaded a weird file from a stranger

2. Went to the settings and about pyone sceeen

3. Tapped the thing 5 times to activate developer mode

4. Activated installing from third party sources despite the warning there

5. Installed the APK

May I suggest the problem is not that this is possible, but a lack of education? If your father is the type that would jump into the bathtub with a toaster because someone on whatsapp told them to do so, I am afraid it is not the existence of toasters that is the issue.


Yes, education around these scams and their methods could be better, but there is also a reason they target the elderly and vulnerable. Unless something else terrible happens, I assume I will count in one or both of those groups eventually. I feel like when I get there, I would appreciate empathy rather than disdain, if I were ever taken advantage of.

Regardless, you do not actually need to enable developer settings to install APKs from unknown sources (at least, not on my Samsung). When you open an APK from within another app (e.g. Google Drive or WhatsApp), Android "helpfully" forwards you straight to the relevant security settings page, allowing you to immediately toggle the "Install unknown apps" permission for that specific app. It's a streamlined flow, only a couple of taps, no scrolling/searching/reading, therefore likely easy to coach a victim into performing.

So, I expect what the Android team is alluding to in the original post is to enable additional friction like you describe.


One does not need to enable developer mode to install a 3rd party APK.


eh, think this is a bit much to ask. Are we going to educate a majority of the baby boomers who just never got a feel for how technology works? Yeah, my Dad also just got scammed by a phishing scheme on his PC (and if a scammer had walked him through how to install an apk on his phone, he'd probably do that too).

In my humble opinion, in the design of a UI or any type of system, kind of have to go where the users take you to some degree. And Android, being an OS for consumer devices, should be geared toward the masses and the mistakes they'll make.


Should we ban refilling your own cars oil because some idots keep filling coolant into it?

I worked in IT support and I am deeply aware with the issues people are having. Some issues are systemic (aka bad design) and those should be fixed. Other issues are human.

It may not seem like it, but I have the patience of an angel, because I remember when computers where new to me. I like people to understand. Understanding is power. But when I did work in IT support I saw some things. Grown adults repeatedly clicking away error messages without reading them while I stand and watch over their shoulder. When I ask them what their error message read they say they don't know. Then we read it together and they go: "Ohhh".

Yeah. Ohhh. You have a weird error that prevents you from working and there is a red error message and you don't bother to read it. That isn't a technological problem that is a educational problem.

I stand by what I said, we cannot dumb down our system because people don't care, are lazy and act dumb. Because that leads to a cycle where it gets ever dumber and lazier all while making life hell for people who are not dumb or lazy.

If you want to use a car you need to know certain things. Same is true for digital systems, the internet, a smartphone, a toaster, a hair dryer, a knife, a simple plastic bag, etc. The solution is education, not dumbing down the world.


Well, yeah, everything has limits and this issue seems like a very practical one. Seems like it depends on how much work would be needed to teach the user base, which, at least to me, feels out of reach. As your being in IT, you may agree that teaching a large majority of 60+ year-olds standard things on something like Windows is difficult and extremely slow. Feels like it would take at least a month of dedicated training, where they are full on board. Having helped my older friends out, don't see that happening anytime soon (a half hour here and there is all they seem willing to do).

But you know, if there is a method that you know that can teach the masses these skills, then am all for it (maybe barrage them with youtube commercials teaching basic tech skills?:)


Shouldn't the logical conclusion be that if it's too much/hard to teach these people how to operate a device safely, they operate the devices in an unsafe way, bare the cost of it by being scammed, learn that it's not safe for them to operate the device for certain use-cases due to the experience, they tell others about it and it's in media -> people who do not feel confident operating such a device securely are scared away from using it due to the potential consequences they heard about -> problem solved (from a banking security perspective)

(except now the bank needs more staff behind the counter)


Not 100% sure if you mean this genuinely or joking around a bit. Will assume the former

Well, think just letting the knowledge of user failure expand organically is definite a method of deterrence, and some amount of this probably going to happen to some of the users. But to me, seems like it's a question of what percentage of your user base would be exposed to being scammed. Of course you'd want his to be zero, but if it's significant, yeah, probably should put measures in place to reduce the amount of scamming. Even on a purely practical level, it's bad for the reputation of your product...

...Am thinking, since there is so much resistence to locking down android, one problem might be was it was initially billed as a more open OS that tech people could enhance in whatever way they wanted. But yeah, times have changed, it's now a product that is used by the masses, and guessing the masses are now their most important users. Not saying this is wrong or right, but probably why there is so much push back as compared to say if iOS did the same thing (which they may have already done).


I wrote a longer post about that elsewhere but there is morally no good justification to restrict everyone else's devices just because a small minority falls for scams. This is a very principal issue in a free society and in most societies we allow all kinds of individual risk taking because we believe that adults should make their own choices even if that means that some people sometimes make mistakes.

On a side note, it is technically very feasible to help antivirus and security software makers to lock down phones for people who would benefit from it. For example, you could have a strict whitelisting approach for vulnerable users (e.g. elderly, bitcoin entrepreneurs, annoying kids, Google engineers) who prefer it that way, making installation of arbitrary software impossible. Giving up choices voluntarily is fine, taking away choices by force is not fine.


> The APK was sent over WhatsApp.

Why did your father enable installing APK packages from third party sources? That's a setting buried deep inside the developer settings, which themselves have to be activated with a very arcane manipulation


I believe this only works this way on some android forks, iirc you are talking about Samsung. Stock android would show a warning "do you want to install apk from this app?" and lead you to a settings page that enables apk installs from this particular app. No need to separately enable the ability to install apks in general.

I always thought this is a very weird flow, it adds hoops yet accomplishes nothing because the hoops are all trivial and the same for every app.


This is also how it works on my Samsung Galaxy S21. There's no need to enable developer settings.


I have definitely seen this "you need to go deep in the settings to enable 3rd party installs at all" flow before, but I don't remember which device it was. (Just saying that the commenter above is not just inventing something, I was surprised when I saw it as well)


There definitely is such setting, but I have no idea when it was introduced. S21 is an old phone (not to disparage it in any way).

    Your Galaxy phone or tablet is configured by default to prevent the installation of apps from sources other than the Play Store and Galaxy Store.
https://www.samsung.com/ae/support/mobile-devices/how-to-ena...


Hah, yes, this is also how S21 works. But to still refute the OP's point: (1) it is in stock settings, you do not need to enable the developer settings menu via any arcane method. (2) When you tap on an APK in e.g. Google Drive or WhatsApp, Android "helpfully" forwards you straight to this settings page, allowing you to immediately toggle the "Install unknown apps" and installation will begin (there may be another "do you want to install this app" confirmation).

The point being that there is not a whole lot of friction in this flow -- one or two taps -- likely making it easy for scammers to coach victims to perform.

I agree that activating the developer settings menu is substantially more friction, and may arouse more suspicion in a victim, but [on many/most devices] is not currently required. I guess the original article is alluding to putting this kind of friction in place.


> No App should be able to read SMS.

I disagree - one feature in KDE Connect that is super useful is being able to forward your notifications, including your text messages. This would also harm non Android smartwatches, such as the recently revived Pebble.


There seems to be a whole market of Google Play developer accounts and apps for sale, developers like myself regularly get emailed by scammy companies offering to buy the account or to publish an app, and malware is regularly found on Google Play[0]. There's no reason to believe that bad actors would be stopped by install restrictions if their scam is effective enough to overcome the financial hurdles

[0] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/malicious-and...


The built in Android SMS app seems to be horrible in every incarnation I've seen. The one that comes with the Pixel, the one Samsung has. Some may like it, but I can't stand them. I tend to install my own SMS app in each case, and I don't use computers to be locked into something I don't prefer.

It's my tool. Mine. I'll do with it as I please.

I agree there are issues. But preventing installs aren't the answer, just like removing all windows and doors from a house isn't the answer to neighbourhood crime.

I'd be more inclined to say the problem is allowing apps to be funded by advertising. If all apps were paid apps, and using personal data in any way was immensely, "thrown in jail" illegal, then you'd find yourself approving access to contacts, SMS, Pii quite rarely.

It would really stand out in such a case.

"What?! I've been using my phone for 10 years, and some app wants to see my contacts. Why?? No one reputable asks for that, ever!"

So much of the problem with the internet is that Pii is paying the way.

On GrapheneOS, when I install anything, it flat out asks me if I want to give it internet access at all. SMS could be the same way. Off by default, try to grant it, big warnings.

At a certain point, if you have big warnings saying "Are you serious?!" and people turn it on, it entirely ends up being the end user's fault.


- warning - SMS read access

So you do know - inform users, increase privacy,...?


Genuinely curious: would you mind telling more about how your father got scammed and how the adversary managed to get your father to install an app from WhatsApp?


I receive all my SMS messages through a separate app, because my SMS provider is not my TelCo. Please propose solutions that will not harm people like me.


For real? No, thanks I'd like to keep my SMS app


Freedom and protecting tech illiterate people are not mutually exclusive.

Our right to choose install software on our own devices should not be encroached because over-trusting elderly follower scammers instructions.

We can protect people like your dad with an opt-in system like parental controls. Have a responsible family member lock the system down however you deem fit.


Sounds like an iPhone is the better option for your dad.


This will make theft so much easier as compared to normal trouser pocket. It's more of a style thing I guess.


I have been thinking, if the "generate soft xray for lithography by particle accelerators" is remotely feasible as being claimed by substrate. I remember reading some chineese startup / university also trying to do so. ASML is best position to execute this. They have the money, cashflow and talent, R&D culture all available. ASML may very well be the one actually doing this.


It’s possible ASML is the best to do this. But the fundamental research behind ASML’s modern tech is actually from a DARPA project if you go back far enough. While certainly ASML did years of work to bring the tech to commercial readiness, I wonder if they’re able to completely rethink their approach or if they’re too invested in one way of doing things.


> But the fundamental research behind ASML’s modern tech is actually from a DARPA project if you go back far enough

Trying to trace things like this is a fools errand though. Trace things back further than that, the microscope was invented in Europe, and further back the magnifying glass somewhere in the Middle East/Mediterranean. You'll just stop wherever it's convenient for the point you're trying to make.

Ultimately, what was available + what was known was put into practice by ASML and they're the ones best at executing that thing right now today, and some things they're the only ones able to too, which isn't very too common.

But I guess only time will tell if they can use whatever they've built and make it into something even more.


FWIW, I think you could argue that modern high-yield EULV is a wholly Taiwanese invention. For all of America's DARPA prowess, Intel couldn't even play second-fiddle to TSMC's worst fab nodes.


> I think you could argue that modern high-yield EULV is a wholly Taiwanese invention

It is not. EUV was literally invented in America in government funded research, and licensed to ASML. Taiwan (TSMC) purchased ASML machines.

> For all of America's DARPA prowess, Intel couldn't even play second-fiddle to TSMC's worst fab nodes.

These have nothing to do with each other. One is a private corporation that made a strategic mistake. The other is a government agency.


> EUV was literally invented in America

Modern, high-yield EULV was not. The CRADA efforts did not produce high-yield dies, nor did it get beyond theorizing modern nodes.

> These have nothing to do with each other

Maybe that's how you wish things were. But we have two admins back-to-back scraping Intel's corpse off the pavement.


The only company making EUVL machines is ASML. The EUV light source was invented in the US and according to wikipedia is used under licence by ASML.

If you have a source that says "modern, high-yield EULV" does not use ASML machines, or does not use the laser pulsed tin plasma light source invented in the US, I'd be interested


The EUV light source is just one step of the manufacturing process. There's also maintenance, preprod, doping, testing and packaging steps that are all customary to specific fabs and difficult to optimize at-scale. A big part of why Intel wasn't an EUV early adopter was the complexity compared to DUV.

Claiming that America invented modern high-yield EUV in the lab is like saying Germany invented the Ferrari because Italy imported their steel presses to manufacture it. Not only are you being pedantic, you're not using pedantry to make a distinction that anyone will respect. Chipmaking is not a pushbutton process with line-replaceable units. This kind of reductive reasoning is what puts detail-oriented cultures ahead of profit-oriented ones.


> Trying to trace things like this is a fools errand though. Trace things back further than that, the microscope was invented in Europe

Regardless of what other prior inventions it depended on, EUV technology itself was invented in the US, and we know that factually - it’s not a fool’s errand. ASML literally approached the US government for a chance to license the technology. This was in the late 90s. That’s not to take away the work ASML has done since then to make it commercially viable through their machines (or TSMC in implementing and integrating ASML machines).


Note that in the 90s EUV was about as mature as fusion that's to say not at all. Not many people believed it could be actually used to make CPUs


More competetion always welcome.

Few weeks back they had HDMI/DisplayPort alternate standardized as well.


I am not able to guess, what is preventing Cerebras from replacing few of the cores in the Wafer-Scale package with HBM memory? It seems the only constraint with their WSE3 is memory capacity. Considering the size of NVDA chips, Only a small subset of wafer area should easily exceed the memory size of contemporary models.


DRAMs (core of the HBM memories) use different technology nodes than logic and SRAM. Also, stacking that many DRAMs on waver will complicate the packaging quite a bit I think.


I don’t think so. The reason why Cerebras is so fast for inference is that the KV cache sits in the SRAM.


If you replace some cores with HBM on package, you basically get the traditional GPU + HBM model.


What happened to Meta Open weights models? Lately I keep hearing more of Deepseek than LAAMA?


Wasn't The Llama 4 maverick and scout a flop?


I am happy to have this 100k rule announced. Couldn't be better way to stop the Brain Drain.


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